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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. The coloured passports didn't mean much too many as a lot of leavers were not even alive when they were blue, it was a "see all brexiteers are racist but at least they get a blue passport" it was a put down in the same way "all brexiteers are racist, xenophobic, not university educated blah blah" and demeaned the remain argument but increased the division.

    For wto/free trade to have worked brilliantly, we needed to have launched it at the time of article 50. That doesn't mean we should write it off, there are rules within the wto standards that means we can trade from minute one as promisaries and sort things out as we go along such as these are the bullet points, we will work on that and draw up the agreements.

    The key thing was not migrants, although controlled migration was high on the wish list, the key thing was a complete break from the eu, a clean break where they had no legal or operational control over the eu, the same as 167 other countries.

    I understand May's deal, in someway it is a soft brexit but even labour recognise it locks us into being controlled by the eu until the eu let us go and that will feck up any government in the future plus drags out the clean break for how long? The country does want this over with but not at a point that it goes on for another 30 or 40 years, don't forget the eu backstop had as an end date as 20XX, they do not make mistakes like that.

    Any divorce will have an initial period of both parties restarting differently and so far we have concentrated on worrying too much about the eu instead of the U.K. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and get on with it otherwise it drags everyone down and for many times longer than needed.
     
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  2. Some of us have run limited companies for some time.

    Yes you can do that now and can continue to do that in most cases but the rules are changing if you provide services to one or two companies only.
     
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  3. I'm really going this helps those thousands being exploited by uber, amazon, hermes etc. Be nice to think they try and fix blatant exploitation of workers before they start looking at this notional increase in tax take. Which will actually be less
     
  4. Tax take won't be less as they will get employees and employers national insurance on top. It is aimed at Uber, Amazon etc I believe.
     
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  5. My understanding is they won't. It will only be employee contributions (with zero benefits) as they are not employees. However, it will stop people working. They simply wont be able to afford to. Which (fingers crossed) will increase PAYE vacancies and that then pulls the employer in. But there will be less, unemployment will go up and the demand will massively outstrip supply (in the IT contractor end anyway)
     
  6. The company who is contracting the services pays Employers NIC as of they are an employee.

    The Government receives an extra 12% employees NI and also 13.8% Employers NI.

    As usual it's the small business owner losing out. They should have insisted on the big companies employing the subcontractor rather than doing this as at least they would receive sick pay and holiday pay and pension rights then. It's the usual Government cop out and bowing down to big multinationals.


    https://www.icaew.com/technical/pra...cticewire/news/changes-to-off-payroll-working
     
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  7. Are the Govt paying the extra NIC for all the inside-IR35 contractors they have? So even less tax take....and I have noticed day rates for govt have moved from regular PM 425 flat rate outside IR35 to (I saw advertised two weeks ago) same roles now 650-700 inside IR35.
     
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  8. Spot the wanker :thinkingface:
     
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  9. cant see yer mate forage in here exe.
     
  10. Never been my mate as well you know, but he was funny at times in the EU council :joy:
    But you can't deny that wanker ringed above should be deported :):upyeah:
     
  11. nah, he was pretty fair in 2014, if his insight was ever aired, it was generally selectively quoted.
     
  12. yip, deported :)
     
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  13. But you obviously haven't run one, duke63 - so stop talking bollox and eff off until you know what you are talking about - I worked for every major and probably every minor developer and housebuilder in the UK and the IoM.

    Sometimes I was working for eight different organisations at the same time. My company was closed a bit earlier this year - because I retired. no other reason.
     
  14. If you haven't realised yet that the only "Brexit negotiations" that took place were not between the UK and EU governments, but were instead between the UK government and the people of the UK ....

    ... then you aren't really paying attention.
     
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  15. You just wish she had some of the tenacity and single mindedness she is now having against the U.K. politicians, and had used it against the eu.
     
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  16. the process and the result made that inevitable. your gov, your Parliament and your media fucked it up.
    again.
     
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  17. Your gubmint too, pal. Your parliament. Your media. Never forget that!
     
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  18. Dick! the world is changing since you have retired.
     
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  19. sorry loz. your Gov, your Parliament, your Media. i take no responsibility for it. i pay tax under duress. that's my only connection to it. the negotiations with me have failed. i think you will find the uk Gov negotiations with us have failed. the best they can do is present it as a deal, when it actual fact its a hard brexit. i dont believe the majority voted for a hard brexit.
     
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