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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. i dont think so. just a gut feeling, but if they did.
    There remains the possiblity of a so-called people’s vote which might just halt Brexit. But that possibility is being aired because of the disquiet that Brexit is causing in England. If the vote produces a result which halts Brexit, that again will be because England will have voted to prevent it. Yet even if it does, Brexit will continue to dominate English politics for decades, risking the rise of the far right as embittered Ukippers and Tory Brexiteers seeks to express their anger. The targets of their ire will be all those who opposed their dream of Britannia waiving the rules, remainers, EU citizens, N/I and the Scots. A UK which votes in a referendum to halt Brexit will be a UK where there will be increased political pressure to punish the Scots and restrict the powers of Holyrood. And this, let us not forget, is the best case scenario, because it’s the only one in which Brexit doesn’t happen.
     
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  2. Feck 'em. They are all bigots.

    Seriously though, the globalists believe there will be little to no significant fallout. Whilst the Remainder side has been forming marches, obtaining 1m signature petitions and being solid activists, the Leavers have simply waited passively, believing that the globalist UK government will honour their commitments. The globalists see this as a passive acceptance of whatever happens and are emboldened to set aside the Brexit referendum result.

    Whether anything untoward occurs when democracy in the UK is finally put to bed, I don't know.
     
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  3. Parody account does parody.
     
  4. It will certainly give those unsure whether to vote against against Mays chequers deal, more impotus and a safeguard of perceived credibility.

    The judgement is based on a technical question and cannot force the U.K. government to abide by it or do anything other than just say, yep we see what you say.

    The biggest worry is not the 17 million plus and the largest democratic majority in U.K. history that could be told, fuck you

    but more, what incentive is there to vote at all if
    (1) a vote can be overturned before it is even implemented
    (2) the house can overturn the peoples vote and say the house is more important than the people who voted them in and the precedent has now been set that the majority vote can be overturned at any time

    Both of these will effect every single U.K. political party and every future democratic vote from the local councillors to the national government and not just the tories during brexit.

    Fin, I know in your victimhood politics where everything is against the Scots, but honestly in a U.K. vote, the U.K. vote.
     
  5. dont cry loz. it aint over for you yet.
     
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  6. This is known as a full court press.

    May deal is a disaster, could bring down the gubmint, watch out here comes Comrade Corbyn!
    Article 50 could be rescinded, we'll need another referendum.
    Project Fear Mark XXXVIII, crash and burn out of the EU? Parliament won't allow it!

    No roads leads to an independent UK. All roads lead to Brussels. It was designed this way. People who don't see this are blind. You are literally being led by the nose.

    Remainders and Leavers alike have been herded like sheep, to the trimming pens. Enjoy your haircuts, guys, Soros needs a new woolly jumper! : o D
     
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  7. The “scaremongering” argument again.
    Rather like lemmings being told it’s dangerous to jump off a cliff but dismissing it as scaremongering.
    Closely related to “what do experts know?”
    What they are talking about, that’s what.
     
  8. More food for thought.

    A lot of UK Armed forces folks, including former commanders and the like have been warning us about May's softly-softly process to relinquish control of the UK's armed forces to the EU. You don't hear much about this unless you are listening to non-MSM sources.

    Yesterday, I heard on the wireless of a big reshuffle right at the top of the UK Armed Forces hierarchy - out with the old guard, in with the new, new roles being created. It isn't a stretch to suppose that folks who had reservations about an EU Army, or outright opposition to it, have been ousted and compliant uniforms put in their place.

    Again, nothing much has been said about this in the media and my google searches have been pretty fruitless so far. The radio I listen to is not the same as yours, by the way. It is pretty trustworthy
    : o )
     
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  9. Explaining why it’s such a sticking point.
     
  10. OR, can you clarify please?

    Do you believe that the UK can never leave the EU because of the NI situation?
     
  11. Soros doesn’t worry me as much as the shadowy figures that persuaded Gordon Brown and George W that deregulation of the banking system was a good idea.
    They would appear to be still around and behind Rees Mogg and co
     
  12. You are right to be worried but the target of your concern is 180 degrees out of whack : o )
     
  13. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing people that he is JRM.

    : o D
     
  14. Funny thing. I was listening to the radio when Foster made that comment. They asked ‘what are you red lines’ she said’a boarder in the Irish sea’ They said ‘homie red is it tho, really’ She said ‘Red.’ They said ‘but how red’ to which she replied ‘red, very red, blood red’

    Amazing what context can do, eh
     
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  15. Absolutely

    An agreement between two nations and those two nations only, has been appropriated by a political project, not nation or country, and used by them as an emotive tool to batter people around their heads to attain a deal that the political project wants.
     
  16. I believe it’s one of many reasons why we should remain in the EU.
    I can’t see any actual solution to the underlying issues but the GFA has certainly succeeded in maintaining relative peace.
    If you compare EU membership to family membership of a club, I understand that many members of the family see the subscription as too high and don’t see the benefits of continued membership and want to resign the family membership.
    I am one of the family members which admits the club is imperfect but still sees the benefits of membership and finds the subscription, while perhaps high, still provides good value.
     
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  17. No. What I found funny was one comment about the EU being the good guys, trying to find a solution. Clearly they are not. They are not trying to find anything as a solution other than break the UK up.
     
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  18. Seems to me that you are suggesting the 17m who voted out should stand aside for a few hundred terrorists in a country that isn’t in the UK. That we should put democracy aside to appease terrorism.
     
  19. Na, won't happen. For me, it's a shame that people would rather appease these types than face it head on. Its a republican matter not an Irish matter.
     
  20. Sorry, don’t understand the point
     
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