Not a view I share. The EU want the border not the UK. Its their problem to solve. They don't want piss off the S Ireland. TB
Totally 100% right. We have a choice and that is no border, so UK govt say. What the EU and EIRE do is entirely up to them. Yet some seem to think thats our problem
Bentley vs WTO Bentayga - main chassis made in Bratislava, Slovakia at VW plant Continental -main chassis made in Zwickau, Germany at VW plant W12- engine made in UK, but also used by Audi therefore exported from UK to Germany. V8- engine made in Gyor, Hungary however some items assembled in UK. Good luck in explaining how WTO will work in this case.....
Easy All are eu countries except soon to be one, the eu use wto and free trade themselves with non eu countries at the moment so no change on the process of non eu to eu, and eu to non eu Again some forget 165 countries and only 28 are in the eu and the eu has no problems dealing with non eu countries. The problem could be for those marques. People know Bentleys are are owned by VW and Rolls Royce by BMW but the fact most of them are assembled and built in the U.K. is what see's most of their buyers see them as luxury British cars. Move them out of the U.K. and the snob value and prestige drops, so will their sales. I suspect european sales of the new discovery will drop now they are to be built in Slovakia, Rich people like labels, not cheapness.
The Chinese Range Rovers didn't go down too well in China - oh, and the EU helped move the Ford Transit to Turkey from the UK
To get into or out of Northern Ireland carriers need ID now so thats not exactly free movement. But the contract on the table now gives EU citizens visa free travel for 3 months so not such a big deal. TB
Paul I know for a fact you are an intelligent man. So why you don’t seem to understand the issue here I don’t know. The issue of the border is not just about hardware. It’s about technical compliance, the common rule book and many other factors which are fundamental to the operation of the single market.
I believe controlled migration was one of the red lines if we are to be correct, just as as an aside, why do you think more eu citizens want to come and live in the U.K. than U.K. citizens live in the eu?
If we choose to be. See, get the point? We may choose different risks from EIRE than we do any other EU territory due to the connectivity of land. Simple, isn't it, really. And to think, we wouldn't have non-elected bEUarocrats* telling us we can't OK, I fudged that in, but not was worth it
I think this is where you are struggling chap It's a problem for the eu, we are leaving the eu, we no longer have to worry about the eu telling us what to do within our own borders.
I get it Derek, I just dont understand how intelligent and articulate people dont understand the word 'choice'. The rule book will not be EU rule book for us: it will be UK's. If we choose, because it makes sense, to have an open arrangement with Malaysia if we like. Its the same with EIRE: we can choose. Its the EU issue if lots come in via that route, and if EIRE cant control that again, their problem. This, btw, is how the EU seem to treating UK in these negotiations. Sure, but wont be that easy. And it may see a large influx from EU thru EIRE, thats a risk. But controls over work permits, legislation on validation of authority to work (which already exists) can manage that within the UK boundaries without a border control. Seriously, it's easier than politicians and naysayers would have us believe.
As those who bother to read my posts accurately will know, I like to hear and understand all sides of the argument. As usual, on my drive home tonight, I was listening to Nigel Farages show on LBC. He kicked off with his resignation from UKIP, for which he should be applauded. Listening to the remainder of his show, I am absolutely convinced that if there is a second referendum then the choice should be hard Brexit or remain. Mays still absolutely stinks and may well be illegal, given how it binds future administrations. I even found some of the arguments against a second referendum compelling but ultimately 1) vote leave lied and cheated 2) no one know how bad the deal would be 3) the deal is a million miles from the land of milk and honey promised and that would flow from a German car industry terrified of no deal 4) WTO rules require quotas to be negotiated. The French Cognac industry would want to frustrate the whisky industry so how Much whisky can we export? It really is crashing out. Anyone who says otherwise is plain lying.
Think cheap Chinese toys full of lead in the yelllow paint. That needs to Be controlled. Once a product is in Ireland it can go anywhere in Europe Or if we diverge in air quality in the spec of catalytic converters and so on. That’s the problem. Or decide to produce petrol or diesel to a different spec Or Having a separate standard for the U.K. is a total lunacy. Different technical standards demands a hard border. I would not be surprised if there is some eye opening news tomorrow when the full legal advice is released
TBF Derek the first referendum was a 'hard brexit' or remain. Look how thats turned out. Actually, I voted leave on the basis we would end up with a better deal to stay in, and then another vote anyway (so not a surprise if to does). Said so at the time. Just that May hasn't even delivered that! And I've since had enough of all this noises, I really dont care any more. I just cant stand how people have rounded on others as racists, xenophobes and gnarly bad people for wanting their decision makers to be accountable.
So we start with the same EU standards and closely align, if that works. Its our choice And we can easily have imports controlled electronically. Even the best Irish smugglers cant get that much lead-lined toys on
You don’t get it. What you say is fine assuming 1) you accept breaking the Belfast agreement and have a hard border 2) you accept pretty much everything will become more expensive I find it somewhat amusing that a country which persecuted and exploited its people relentless for centuries by the U.K. and comprises only 3 million people has the U.K. fucked hard against a wall in cuffs and it’s not letting it go and till it finished fucking it over. That is what is happening just now. Ireland is fucking the U.K. over through the EU
Mays leadership has been woefull. It kind of gives the real reason why she was the longest lasting home secretary, because she spent most of her time kicking things in to the long grass hoping everyone would forget years later. She should have announced wto and free trade at the same time as article 50 but we are were we are. (1) vote remain did also but the chair of the electoral commission has so far refused to investigate the remain side, when pushed to do it, she and three other electoral members stepped down rather than do it. (2) No one knew 2 years ago the eu they want to stay in, would be in such a shit mess. On the leave situation, even Carney has admitted it is incredibly unlikely to be as bad as the predictions he made last week (3) To be fair that is the remainers fault. Most what you would call brexiteers knew the eu would play hard ball and be cvnts, they don't care about the countries, just the eu project, that is why we asked for wto from the outset. Where it has gone wrong is the last two years trying to bring the 48% on side, which was never going to happen so the government has ended up pissing both sides off. (4) Oh no open trade with the world, how will we ever manage the other year I went to a really really poor country who is not in the eu, America. Next summer I am after going to an even poorer country Macau and then onto Australia
