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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Bizarre isnt it.

    I know people who are mortgaged to the hilt, work 6 days a week, have finance on every motor vehicle they own and still think of themselves as middle class just because they have two holidays a year (that they stick on a credit card).
     
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  2. Life should be about being happy which doesn't necessarily correspond with being rich or middle class. We are only here for a short time so why waste it being unhappy?

    All the class bollocks is what holds the UK back.
     
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  3. yep, proud to be working class, wouldnt have it any other way
     
  4. OMG, I agree with duke63 :Wideyed:
     
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  5. What would your definition be ?

    I saw recently that £100k pa puts you in the top 1%.

    Also 1 in 10 pensioners apparently have total assets, that includes their home, of more than £1million.

    Does either of these make them "rich" ? I think not.
     
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  6. If you don't need to work anymore and have enough dosh to enjoy life to the full and not worry about bills, and you have good health and friends / family - then you are truly Rich :)
     
  7. I'm not sure I would want to not work at all but I would like to work less hours and have less stress....... and be able to see as much of the world as possible before I croak it.

    I just don't get the British obsessions with class. There is working class snobbery, middle class snobbery and upper class snobbery, its all the same rubbish and all as bad as each other.

    Don't be defined by your colour, background, nationality, sexual preference or anything else. It makes it easy for you be to controlled.

    Be defined by who you are!
     
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  8. Wow! What an opening speach.
    I don't feel so bad about being made redundant tomorrow
     
  9. My wife has just been told all their jobs are all going. 160 or so in a mortgage processing team and support teams. With a high street bank. Am guessing they will be blaming brexit, yet the management team have been discussing and planning since April
     
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  11. And that is defined by who brings you up, how they bring you up and what education you get.

    Funny. The only bit that doesnt define you, is you.
     
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  12. Very true :upyeah:

    It amuses me when I see those adverts that say "your rules !", or something similar.
     
  13. Only If you let them.
     
  14. That's only true if your development stops when you leave home.
     
  15. No it's true in all occasions.

    Interesting point tho. Worth noting that the glasses you wear for all of your life are the same. Very few adjust them. Even fewer remove them.

    How many actually DONT become like this parents later in life?
     
  16. I take your point but we live in a society where social status and access to resources were defined for a majority of the population not by their parents but by their great great grandparents, as a study recently showed.
     
  17. It's true that behaviour can seem to be passed from generation to generation as if it is genetic. In psychological parlance this is called narrative. But behaviour is not genetic, it is learned. If the behaviour you adopt during childhood doesn't cause you problems when you leave home then you have little need to change those behaviours or even to be aware of them except fleetingly when something you do or say reminds you of similar from a parent. This is fairly normal.

    Some people adopt behaviours in order to survive their childhood. It's a matter of necessity but can cause problems later in life. If you grow up in a house where your parents are physically abusive then you are likely to adopt behaviours that minimize the chance of attack. You might avoiding conflict by constantly appeasing the abusive parents. You become a people pleaser, frightened to be yourself and express an opinion. You might constantly look for and pre-empt the attack with violence, even when there wasn't actually a threat. These are just a couple of common, less extreme, examples. When a person with these adaptions leaves home and enters wider society they commonly have problems because what was normal behaviour at home is no longer normal because the context has changed. These problematic behaviours can be replaced with more useful ones. Behaviours that were 20 years in the making can't be changed overnight but they can be changed.

    There's no such thing as predestination but, because a child doesn't get to choose their parents, it can look that way. If a person changes mal-adaptive behaviour, that was initially learned to survive their own childhood, then the behaviour will not be passed on to the next generation because the next generation will have no need to adopt that behaviour or a complementary one. Intervention doesn't have to wait until adulthood though. It can happen at pretty much any stage. So, no, it's not true in all occasions.
     
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  18. That is narrative in a nutshell although I'd argue that it goes back to antiquity unless someone makes a change.
     
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  19. I think we're getting just a little off topic though.
     
  20. ok. i will bring it back
    social status defined for a majority? by a minority. i know rightys like a five page explanation on everything.but just switch on the news on any day of the week in any week in history. right or wrong its obvious
    defined by our great grandparents. private, corporal, Sargent,officer, general,
    tenant, landlord, aristocracy.
    first past the post.
    normally a tory telling us who's a scrounger and who's a net contributor. and how you would be lost with out them.
    i guess now we have a brexit business leaders will have even more power than they had before. i can hear it now. there's cheaper places in the world to do business. you work for me sunshine, not the other way around.
    that is how i see a brexit pretty much in a nutshell. and why i wont be getting behind it.
     
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