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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Bentley vs WTO
    Bentayga - main chassis made in Bratislava, Slovakia at VW plant
    Continental -main chassis made in Zwickau, Germany at VW plant
    W12- engine made in UK, but also used by Audi therefore exported from UK to Germany.
    V8- engine made in Gyor, Hungary however some items assembled in UK.
    Good luck in explaining how WTO will work in this case.....
    So your solution is to move the them out from Crewe?
    Why not charging WTO for the imported chassis and then charge WTO on the exported engines? And the WTO on the assembled car...comedy, unfortunately a very expensive one as it involves a lot of paperwork.
    Same applies to Airbus and a lot more major businesses.
    Not suer why some believe WTO if a free trading system...
     
  2. Was it really? I have no doubt many people voted for that and were happy with the economic hit. Perfectly defendedably position. But there was talk of

    We can be like Norway

    We can be like Switzerland

    We can get out and the German car industry will pressure Merkel into free trade. This one makes me laugh every time. Big German companies don’t give a fuck. They are so adaptable/efficient/quality driven that they can cope.
     
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  3. 1)No one in the U.K. or norther Ireland government is going to be introducing a hard border of old, the end.
    2) much of the imports will be far cheaper as we are not paying higher prices through the protectionist eu membership policy. There will be a couple of years rebuilding whilst we take things on ourselves as an independent country. This is accepted as a short term pain for a long term gain

    Again, you're a dinosaur trying to bring back killing ghosts of the past, 20 years ago that view might have been valid, now it's just an old fart desperate to introduce a bogie man to stop a country becoming free, something you seem okay with yourself for ireland no?

    as to this
    That is what is happening just now. Ireland is fucking the U.K. over through the EU

    Varadkar is being played by the eu and most know this as to being fucked over by ireland, varadkar is worried. He knows once the process is finished, he will be yesterdays man and irelands second biggest export country, is the U.K.
     
  4. How many people want to swap their

    1) German car for a Korean one?
    2) Belgian beer for an Indian one?
    3) Italian suit for one from Turkey?

    The fact is we won’t want to but we will pay more tomorrow that we do today.

    And all because we don’t get to write the last 5% of the rule book. In my industry, 95% of the EN came from the BS
     
  5. Missing the point by a million miles as always. Nothing or little to do with army check points and everything to do with technical standards for products.

    When JVC and Sony invented video recorders the French blockaded them at the ports until Ferguson( French manufacturing company) reverses engineered them and had a French product for the French to buy. You were talking about protectionism?

    So when a U.K. company develops a new hi tech piece of medical equipment the same will happen and we will be left trying to sell them to wealth laden nations like India and Pakistan and Kenya
     
  6. Nope, I never said move them from crewe at all, where did you get that from?
    My understanding on the tariffs was that the U.K. offered the eu a zero tariff deal as long as it was reciprocated. Once the sillyness stops and the politician get out of the way, business will sort it out within the new existing rules.
     
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  7. again no. let me try another way because you are so closed minded

    eu....Noob
    noob...yeah?
    eu ..you remember that house you rented from us?
    noob...yeah? I left that house, paid all the bills before I left, left it in good condition and thought we were still friends?
    eu..you did , we are.... but can you turn the lights off at 7 pm in your new house, and we don't want you having a new partner and if you are going to have one, we want the final say on who they are. Also, you know our gardens join, we don't want you to put that flower bed on your garden side of the fence
    noob..erm you do realise you are my ex yeah?
    eu..yeah but you will do as we tell you
    noob..how about we play a game of fuck off...and you go first :D
     
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  8. I posted a copy of the voting form.
    It said:
    stay in the EU
    leave the EU

    not sure how that can be more binary
     
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  9. If an EU based manufacturer makes a product to the EU standards then it automatically receives a technical passport to be sold across the whole of the EU. This was one of the key objectives of the single market. When first brought in, having a U.K. Kite mark was sufficient to be sold across the EU. Nowadays companies can apply for ENEC Certification which is the European wife certificate. Once we leave the EU and change our product standards, UK companies will have to manufacture and certify for U.K. standards And EU standards if they want to sell into the EU. That costs more money. Either way, these products face a hard border because they are or maybe subject to

    1) tarrifs
    2) quotas
    3) spot checks for technical compliance

    That’s what hard border means for products.

    For services it means something else

    For people it means something else again. I have crossed the Irish border before the Belfast Agreement and not been asked for a passport or been stopped but there were still British soldiers there. Although Sinn Feinn and Gerry Adams must be pishing themselves laughing just now, it’s possible that dissident republicans will resume the armed struggle. It has happened many times before
     
  10. And do that and leave and have no further influence on how those standards evolve.
     
  11. Mays trade deal with the Eu is garbage

    And we don’t know anything about what will happen with the rest of the world.

    The EU trade deals with India, China and the USA which apparently are better than WTO. Here are a few comments

    Whisky in China and India is still prohibitively expensive

    You can’t buy haggis in the USA.

    So if that’s better than WTO, how bad is WTO?
     
  12. ive just been picked up in a seven year warranty korean car...for an indian curry and beer...and my mate looked dapper in a cheap suit from turkey....
     
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  13. Line 4.

    The European wife Certificate? Now there’s a thing.

    Hilarious.

    I’m sure a lot of forum members would form a different view of the EU if there was such a thing.
    A European Standard wife! :astonished::scream:
     

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  15. The use of the word Catholic was deliberate as due to the sectarian nature of the discrimination and abuse perpetrated by the British state. Contradict if you wish but facts state otherwise. The desire for successive US presidents to pressure the UK into addressing the Issue is indicative of how badly the U.K. behaved.

    The Guildford 4
    Those murdered on Bloody Sunday
    The Croke Park massacre
    My friend who quit the RUC because he got fed up “charging the catholics” are just a few examples of this. Incidentally, he was on duty on Bloody Sunday and went home with a broken arm. Perhaps you could counter with examples of your own? Where peaceful protest was replied to with state sponsored murder.

    Boxing matches are fought between two fighters of equal weight and are classified into divisions.

    On the one hand you have the Catholic civil rights movement which was a peaceful protest organisation demostating to win rights for Catholics such as the right to vote. This was in the UK in the late 60s. These protests were met with loyalist paramilitaries who atacked the peaceful protestors. The RUC never charged the loyalists to break up the violence, always the Catholic’s. Over time, the violence escalated to point where the Irish Republican Army was sent by the Irish Government to the border and was ready to step into protect its citizens from the violence perpetrated against it by the British state. You should remember that at that time the Irish Government viewed all citizens if the island were citizens of the republic. Tje Irish Republican Army never crossed the border, because like a heavy weight against a feather weight it was no match for the British Army. As a consequence the Provisional Irish Republican Army was formed and terrorism came to Britain in a way never seen before.

    You have no knowledge whatsoever of Irish history or the brutality visited upon Catholics by the British state in Ireland. If you think people have forgotten because of two decades of peace then go look up a few folk songs still sung today and see how many centuries old the events they refer to are.

    To avoid any doubt the Irish Republican Army is the official state funded army of the Irish Republic. Ireland was almost at war with the U.K. over its treatment of Catholics in the 6 counties.
     
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  16. Your stuck in the past dude, let it go, youngsters today want what's in the future , not stories of the past
     
  17. I see this has quickly turned in to the Scotland and Ireland thread again o_O

    Finm I know would eventually like Scotlands independence, and that's fine, I'm sure he'll get his turn to vote and have the result acted upon. I would accept and support that whatever the outcome

    That leaves Ireland,

    Do we actually have anyone from Ireland on the site that will directly want to go and have a fight with his or her neighbour due to Brexit?

    What about go and have the fight because of religious beliefs and Brexit? A combo punch up if you will

    Final calls for all genuine angry Irish people wanting a fight

    Anyone? :eyes:

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  18. Im just fed up with the whole fucked up mess.
    My take is Gove is a plant waiting for May to fall on her sword so he can have her job. In comes big fat shit Boris and all his cronies to fill up some more vacated seats. Oh don't forget that pile of useless jank Farage has just quit his job so he will want a place at the table as well. Kill me someone please.
     
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  19. Oh and lets not forget Mr Cameron I read some where he wants to get back into front line politics. Gawd help us.
     
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