The more I read on the brexit threads the more I think it’s sod all to do with the EU. Its the government.
I hope you are not suggesting that working conditions in Germany, france, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, ...and even Spain and Italy are worse than they are here.......
So can we have a fourth option please ? Leave the EU (less politicians to listen to) and sack all the current politicians. ( I’m working on how and who should replace them)
For the edification of fellow participants I was going to respond in respect of how •the EIB is an investment bank, • it’s criteria is completely open, to be found on its websites (as is much of the Information in any EU institution website • It’s lent vehicle manufacturers billions upon billions in the uk, • there’s a good chance it’s chief treasurer would have been British at the time. • It cannot lend contrary to EU procurement directives • There will have had to have been some innovation or aim attached to the EU for the loan. • i’m guessing the loan didn’t close the UK plant, but rather the UK plant would’ve made massive losses and was unsustainable. • i’m guessing it is a plant with some kind of innovation for more than just a transit van. • i’m guessing there was some kind of floating charge or security placed over the whole of the operation as security for the loan along with patents and so on in the innovation (May be efficient engines?? Or something ???) being brought back to the EU. But I’m not going to going to detail because I can’t be arsed and it takes too much time. Do you mind if I don’t?
It would certainly raise the question, if all is well in the land of common workers and working conditions, why have the above countries seen substantial increases in the far right? Something you rarely see in worker happy countries
Every single one of those countries, on the whole, has far superior workers rights than the UK. What is absolutely terrifying to me is only two or three weeks ago, the ERG published a paper that put lack of control over workers rights second on the list of complaints about Theresa May’s transitional deal. Now, given that much of Europe has far better workers rights than the UK, and the UK is free to legislate for greater workers rights at any time it likes, it can only mean that the ERG would go after workers rights if it had its way.
Go for the big countries which probably are the only ones (well not France or Spain)...otherwise yes What else would make someone switch from UK where, we have have urgency to Spain where you can barely get a coffee inside 20 minutes never mid something built efficiently
Good point, although I disagree with your last sentence. I suspect it is because the cultural mix has changed and people feel that their heritage (and future) is under threat........which from a demographic perspective, it probably is. Scandinavian countries...and Germany, are cases in point, world class conditions, high wages, stable economies.......but still the discontent. There is something else going on here and it also resonates in this country but appears to have manifested itself as a demonisation of the EU, rather than taking a close inspection of the abdication of responsibility that our government has shown for the care of its population.
Outdated stereotype. Visit the Ford plant at Valencia, Nissan at Barcelona or take the time to understand how a retailer like Zara works or take a trip on a Spanish high speed train and then reflect on whether the stereotypes still apply. Poor productivity is a particularly modern British disease.
I would certainly agree as people have become more demanding without matching reality with idealism, our governments have not kept pace I wouldn't agree on the demonisation of the eu but hope people can see what many of us have being saying all along..we will always stay friends with europe and europeans. However, having seen the direction the eu project is going, having tried to get them to listen and they have refused, we simply do not want to follow the path they are taking and the only way to avoid that, is to leave the eu project.
I had a bumpy road to where I am now with regard to the EU and the UK. For a long time, I was like finderman ... I would have been happier for anyone, Moscow even, to be in charge rather than Westminster. I even thought that I preferred Brussels to the UK Parliament. It was only when I took a long, hard 360-degree look at the EU that I learned my mistake. Brussels has all of the disadvantages of Westminster - incompetence, corruption, loyalty to lobbyists, no loyalty to citizens - but lacks the one thing Parliament has going for it. I mean of course, elections. The EU has elections, of course, but the positions with the real power are not elected by citizens. Citizens get to vote for MEPs but MEPs are emasculated, bribed to within an inch of their lives and in many cases, mere gravy-sucking tools of the EU top echelons. The few who speak out, such as Farage, provide much entertainment but they are effectively helpless in the running of the EU. Arguably, Westminster is little better. We are only able to vote for the same tired, self-interested two-and-a-bit political parties. However, we can at least in theory vote for candidates who could make a difference - which not even a theoretical possibility with regard to the EU. Given the choice between greedy, self-absorbed, ideologues whom we cannot vote out, and twats that we can, I'll take the latter. Given the choice between fanatical globalists [dreaming of the Fourth Reich, impossible multiculturalism and rainbow unicorns] ... and Little Englanders ... I'll take the latter. And as I have said many times ... if all else fails, we can march on Westminster without getting our feet wet. That's gotta be the clincher.
