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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. The other thing that has been largely exagerated is trade with the eu

    Often you will hear of the figures we trade with the eu and they will be quoted as percentages but these are slightly twisted. The trade with the eu figure is a percentage of exports and nothing more. Not even all of our exports

    To put that into context, in april 2016 at the height of the pre vote the bbc did one of those true facts thingame bobs. What people were continually undertold is that around 94-96% of british business's only do business, within the U.K.

    The reason why it was undertold is because if we kept going on about how much is with the eu, it sounded bigger when in truth it was not.

    In 2016 there were 5.4 million registered U.K. business's, as the article shows, only between 324,000 deal in the eu. Agreed that is still a lot but when you realise that the majority of British business's raise their income within the U.K. The scare stories reveal themselves as just that
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36029211
     
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  2. The French seem to be really going for it. Jez when pushed, they take no shit. Fair play to them for saying enough is enough. All down to small towns suffering, immigration, cost of living and fuel tax, which I think has been dropped. The UK, they complain and walk around shrugging their shoulders, yeh different attitudes :joy:
     
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  3. I saw the green vest protests were happening in Belgium and Holland now, not to the extent of the French.

    Wouldn't it be odd given all our political uncertainty, that we might be one of the calmest countries in europe
     
  4. That's not "the reason for staying". In any event, the UK trading on WTO until it can negotiate trade deals on more favourable terms won't be the death of the nation. In fact, it is the only way to avoid the death of the nation - see below.

    The reason for staying in the EU - the underlying, true reason - is so that the EU Superstate may one day become (more of) a reality. The Superstate will be "stronger" with every (former) European nation subsumed within it. Each country that chooses not to be folded into Federal Europe is a blot on the Project and in the UK's case, a not insignificant blot.

    If you are a globalist at heart, or if you do not understand what is happening in Europe, you will see no problem with Remaining and indeed, will be entirely puzzled by the whole Leaver mentality. You will dismiss all Leavers as xenophobes, "Little Englanders", etc. In some cases, you are right - there are folks who yell "Sovereignty!"and such, without understanding the deeper issues. That's OK though, because an enormous number of Remainders have an equal and opposite miscomprehension of what the EU represents.

    If you believe that it is the democratic nation state that best serves and protects the interests of citizens living within its borders, enforcing those borders and enforcing laws that are voted on by said citizens, you have no sensible option but to oppose membership of an oligarchic, non-democratic, supra-national political project. The cost is worth paying, IMO.

    It's all opinions in the end as far as to the kind of society you want to live in but to deny that the EU is moving towards the elimination of borders, and nation states in Europe is not arguable - the EU itself will correct you on that particular point.
     
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  5. no, no drinking, i'm aff it. i know it was short and sweet with no unnecessary wordage, i know it contained no conspiracy. just a couple of simple facts, the deal is an attempt to get round the GFA, the deal gives N/I an economic advantage, the flaws and consequences of the deal will be pointed out to the residents of country that all the analysis (UK Gov and Scot Gov) says will suffer the most. the UK cant afford to loose scotland, what they gonna do? compensate us, or close down one of the avenues open to us up here?.
     
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  6. Having met him, he's more Private Pike...
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  7. careful, trained killer so he is.
     
  8. Keyboard warrior was the expression you were look for.
    The only thing he's ever killed was a good vibe.
     
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  9. so cruel.
    so true.
     
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  10. As far as I'm aware, the only individual on here who has ever raised even the slightest possibility of the EU being a signatory to the GFA is someone calling himself Noobie.
    Why he goes on and on about this is anybody's guess.
     
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  11. Well then you need to read jc's posts from the beginning, instead of skimming
     
  12. Even May agreed the figure and to direct it to the NHS
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  13. she's not fooling anyone with that one, it's the same as the lib dems putting a penny on taxes for the nhs. If it turns up then great, I don't think people mind paying it as long as it is ring fenced and actually is kept for the nhs. Her explanation how it got there is a bit silly
     
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