In it's basic form We had a countrywide vote which gave us the largest democratic majority vote to leave the eu. There were several reasons why but one of the large ones was, we didn't like the direction the eu was going and they were not listening. We are now in a position having used majority democratic peoples votes to get the direction for the nation, where we have a remain based house of commons, not listening and trying to remove the legitimacy of that peoples vote.
I've never yet seen a politician or government refuse to accept a seat because their majority was "too close" The second vote as you see it shows your limited range. The minute you overturn a democratic vote before it is even enacted, you set a precedent for neverendums and a country that then becomes unable to move as every vote you have could be challenged within days or weeks of it being reached. No one arguing for a second referendum has explained despite being asked many times in this thread, when does a neverendum actually stop and start be acted upon? Can you tell me?
As far as I can tell TM has gone to Europe without a dead cert shopping list that will guarantee its sucess in parliament. As a result she cannot but fail miserably and EU negotiators have got the measure of her which means they are just not going to move. Bad timing I know but time for her to step aside. TB
I see you smirking in the background fin so you know where I'm going next if people see majorities being too close to a point they refuse to see it as a majority, can they explain to me why in the 2017 general election, two candidates to become their regions mp got the exact same percentage of the vote, 32.9% but the number of votes between them was just 2, yep just 2 votes allowed one candidate to win the seat for mp of fife north east...for the snp. or another region, Perth and North Perthshire where the two leading candidates were both at 42.3% but the person who won, had just 21 votes more, yep you guessed it, snp won It seems a majority vote for the snp does matter, no matter how close it is, when it suits them
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Which part is flaming harry and which part is factual results? By you're own stance have you not fallen fowl of the very claim you pushed onto myself? Think on that I did notice however you did not dispute the figures were accurate
I think there’s plenty of people saying reject the original vote. You could argue if you’d known what (insert your least favourite PM here) was going to do less people would have voted for them.
erm yes there is, how else do you get to vote on something that has already been voted on but not yet enacted? As no one has accepted her deal, where has it been accepted? Where the will of the people is so tightly split, it then goes to a vote and the majority democratic decision is given, that is what happened was it not? I feel that is nonsense on two counts, you could have easily said, if remainers had known the state the eu was going to be 2 years later, they might have voted to leave too and on the second count, I have yet to meet anyone who knew at the time of election, who knew 100% what the country would be like for the next parliamentry term. Most will gather as much information as they feel is relevent to them, then vote. So your argument is a red herring. You still haven't answered the question put to you though, could you? No one arguing for a second referendum has explained despite being asked many times in this thread, when does a neverendum actually stop and start be acted upon? Can you tell me?
hmmm how hard did you look? https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-budget-snp-announces-major-tax-changes/
it stops when enough people stop shouting we was robbed and here is the proof its never been any secret. and now 55% of the population pay less.
I don't think there is any doubt about the outcome of the referendum - it was clear - Leave. What is in doubt is "What's the plan for the 29th March onwards?" Is it?:- - No agreement and some sort of of WTO trading, whatever that is? - Some sort of transition with a backstop "catch" in it that hooks us in to the EU forever. Given that we are the 5th largest economy on the planet and a country of nearly 70m to take care of, this is not like changing your home energy supplier from EDF to NPower or moving from RBS to Natwest or swapping from Aldi to Tesco. We have a bit more than 3 months left to sort this out.......and yet.....incredibly....THERE STILL IS NO FUCKING PLAN from those that want to leave!!! So the next level of choice is:- - Jump off the cliff and hope all will be well....eventually. - Be pragmatic and put the thing on hold until we have a cunning plan that has been well thought out. Simple really. Oh and finally, the enemy is not the EU, or those that have fought to remain. The real enemy are those that pedaled an impossible dream with no thought (or capability) of how to deliver it. They're the ones that must answer to the public and explain why they're democratic wish is unlikely to be delivered.
Agreed, most of a common sense nature knew we should have gone to wto/free trade at the same time as article 50 The no agreement/no deal always was a misnomer. You are allowed to make a verbal agreement within wto rules as long as the promisary is there to conclude to rules and agreement. The eu themselves use wto/free trade so that standard, the standard eu uses themselves can be dealt with quite quickly agree the backstop was, and remains, a trap to be a eu franchise and little more. I'd be very surprised if business, departments, governments and political organisations, do not have plans for wto/free trade. Within the last few months even the eu has said they have plans in place, unless you think the eu are lying? The cliff claim has been debunked so many times, it's surprising people still try to use it. The second part, putting it on hold, stirs the remainers up even more believing they can over turn democratic votes they do not like but will inevitably let down and feel angry (think snp's strategy on indi 1 and their hardliners still gnashing) and the leavers who feel parliament far from leaving the eu, have adopted the exact same ignoring the people style of the eu commission. To delay it any further will only add to the hate and anger. I do not personally feel extensions at this point where two sides seem to be at consistent states of their feelings and not budging, will improve things. Most brexiteers first wish was a equally workable deal with the eu as their first option, when that wasn't available thenthe eu commissions negotiation party became advisories as is the norm in negotiations. Pretty much most brexiteers have said time and time again, we get on with europe and europeans, we simply do not wish to follow the direction of the eu project so seek to leave but as supportive friends. That is not a dream, that is the wish of the U.K.'s democratic majority.
I'm not sure what you mean and am to afraid to find why you are obsessed with cheesy submarines I have noticed, again, you refuse to answer the simplest of questions put to you No one arguing for a second referendum has explained despite being asked many times in this thread, when does a neverendum actually stop and start be acted upon? Can you tell me?
Obviously I'm on your side. But, I believe the answer your looking for and has been mooted by some half intelligent remainers is that the original voters didn't know what they were getting and now that they do they need to vote again. AND if Brexit wins by 1% then that's the end of it. But, the hope is that the fear and uncertainty campaign wil sway those who are a bit shaky. However, IMO all the forecasting that has been mainly a load of blocks still doesn't let people know what they're getting. The time for a second referendum is after we've been fully out for a while then we really know what's what not before. Otherwise it wil be based on the doom and gloom of remoaners moaning for the last 2 years. TB
Doesn't having a 3 way vote split the Brexit vote which would leave remoaners a likely victory by default. You need to pick two questions. In or out. TB
Someone once said: "I love it when a plan comes together" I wonder who is thinking that now........ Luvverly jubbly.
It’s been stated by others in terms but I don’t want a second vote. I voted Remain safe in the knowledge that if Britain didn’t remain then I’d get a crash out pavements lined with Gold, Rolls Royce, Endless Free Trade, Day One 40 Trade Deal, £350m a week NHS, No Imigration, Blue Passport, split up Ireland, do away with worker’s rights Red White and Blue Brexit. Either way, I’ve been betrayed. And betrayed by all the moderate Brexiteers in the case of leave.
