Fair enough. Matt, when you are commenting on something in future, please comment on everything else at the same time. On a lighter note ... Fluffy Sea Otters - Cute'n'Cuddly? or Sick Rapist Thugs? - discuss. (Matt will now lecture me on staying on-topic :biggrin: )
Sorry I don't accept the monkey thing at the time of filming. It wasn't a racial negative stereotype, more that people of that time wold have expected a fruit to be eaten by an African or Caribbean woman. Nothing more. Nothing less. another case of modern view of the world being used incorrectly and out of context of the time some people really do need a shot of realism and something to restore their memories of years one by
Paul, mate. I was around at that time. It's as real as it gets. Stereotyping took place without anyone even realising it but I also recall some of the deliberately racist language that was being used in that era. I understand how people can be guilty of assigning modern motivations to behaviours from decades ago (Hollywood does this all the time in historical dramas), but this isn't what's happening here. OHMSS used racial stereotyping as shorthand to establish the race of minor characters whose plots weren't developed. A young whipper-snapper like you wouldn't be able to recall how it was back then :smile:
agreed, and im also surprised that they didnt have a scandanavian woman staring at a plate with two plums and a banana. does anyone remember the roger moore fist fight with the 2 gay henchmen on the train?? fkn stupid.
Ha ha thx for the compliment Loz ;-) but seriously context is all. What was deemed racist then, rather than now, is fundamentally different. Anyone fancy a bit of Jock baiting or Taffy prodding or Frog bashing when he 6 nations is on? Even these terms are becoming non acceptable in the world we are in. Pikies anyone? Totally racist term to some but not the masses so acceptable right now....social views change like the wind. I grew up in a time of NF rallies, of which many of my mates and I used to hang on with, but they were very different days. Have been a skinhead in the past, in my youth, and now find the kind of things I thought and acted on then appalling. I know enough racists to know, in peoples homes and around certain friends they haven't changed and still hold ignorant views often wrapped up as humour, and I'm sure very few would admit they are, so recognise an undertone of comment. But it is a free country and its not quite yet an absolute crime to hold personal views I like to think with age comes maturity and tolerance. And one of the things I fail to understand, ever since my early twenties, is how anyone can immediately dislike someone because of their skin colour. Their background, religion, nationality sure, but colour?! Seems odd to me.
look at series such as Mind Your Language, or Be Thy Neighbour, On the Buses for instance...Rising Damp had its moments but the fun was poked more at Rigsby's and other characters ignorance rather than persecuting the character Philip..and of course this scene from Rita, Sue and Bob Too which was a brilliant comedy from the 80's, although this (edited) scene looks like a BNP educational film when taken out of context of the ignorant, drunken, good for nothing father. rita , sue an bob too .prob one of the most racist scenes in film history - YouTube
Alf Garnet, wonderful piece of writing which aimed, and did, undermine the ignorance and stupidity of racism. Funny thing is, the people it was aimed at never got it and thought Garnet was ace!!
The actor Warren Mitchell is left-wing, Jewish, and studied chemistry at Oxford. He was also a brilliantly convincing actor. I was once privileged to see him at the Oxford Union arguing cleverly against racism (as himself) and stupidly for it (in character as 'Alf Garnett').
