What was to stop anyone buying it first on fleabay? Fair play to the dealer, buy cheap sell on a for a profit (dont forget he has to store the bike, add a warranty, pay for his premises, pay employees, get the piss taken out of him for having a Billy Smarts bike on display etc etc)
Well I never somebody is trying to make a profit. Never thought of doing that myself. Oh yes I did and yes I made a profit
It is true a little....had my RSV4 factory for 2 years now....mine cost about 8k then....im seeing higher mileage ones and older for 9.5k at the moment....
there was a 10 plate RSVr with loads of blingy stuff on it in Riders in Bristol about3 weeks ago and that sold for 10k and an 09 factory (immaculate ill give you that) but that went for 10.5k
But if dealers are inflating the second hand market, isn't that good for "you/us" trying to sell a bike privately? It's all relative.
Heaven forbid people trying to make a profit in order to run a business. More pertinent is how Ducati inflate their prices. Their whole range is £5k over inflated. Or how about the sport classics or paul smarts. Their just old bikes rebadged and sold at a premium. As nice as they are, they are way overpriced. £20k for a Pani? No thanks. I can get a world championship winning bike for £14k from Kwaker. Rather than a championship losing bike for £25k. Now I know we buy Ducati's for other reasons and not necessarily its sporting prowess. ie theyre pretty and a torquey v twin etc. But that still does not relate to the price they charge. When Ducati were on their own as a small volume manufacturer, there is an element of increased costs applied to that. But now they are part of the VW/Audi group, the most cash flush high volume conglomerate around, this does not compute. We are being ripped off. The bikes are overpriced. Hugely. Now if it was winning everything and was the best bike on the planet, then fair enough. But they are not. Currently the Kawasaki, the BMW, the Aprilias, the Yamahas and the Hondas spank their pretty little red arses in all departments. Which is why I will not be buying another. I will keep my 916 forever. But currently I am looking at either the RSV4 as my next bike or the S1000RR to replace my 1198 if i get bored with it. Ducati does not merit the kudos it once proudly oozed from every pore. My mates RSV4 is better in all areas. All of them. The only reasonable new Pani is the 899. Thats a great bike. Please note this is only my opinion and I apologise for any distress I may have caused. I just get upset about stupid prices for a new Ducati. Before anyone says anything, yes I can easily afford a Pani 1199S. Its just my 1198 is still a great tool. But the RSV4 base model....is a much better bike than even the 1199R. I'd pay £50k for a new Desmo though. Now that is a cracker.
Funny you should sat that but as much as I love my rsv I do like the streetfighters or a Tuono for that matter....going to the TT on it this year....will have to see how my spine holds up as im half way to 50! Good choice on the RSV though (if you get one) its a brilliant bike...hopefully if I can get it arranged before I go to the TT itll be going on the dyno...
£16k for an RSV4 APRC Factory!!! With all the bells and whistles. This will only get you a base Pani which would get absolutely hammered by the RSV4. Sorry Ducati until you realistically reprice your inventory you are loosing custom. I will probably swap my 1198 in for a new RSV next spring. I'm 50 next year!
Yup - I have to agree Ducati's are furiously over priced....I was in Riders on the weekend...a hyper 821sp is 12.5k from recollection....its just too much...I think if they keep it up people will start to vote with their feet... Ill see how the RSV is - I must confess last year's trip there I (and the first on it) I thought would probably finish me but it was surprisingly comfortable. Although in that time ive had a KTM660 supermoto which was the end of my right leg learning how to start it....took me about 4 months or so, my lower back hasn't been the same since....once I cracked the starting procedure I could start it with a pair of flip flops on...
It was fun while I had it.... Starting the 660 - comedy thread. Have a read....if I hadn't have trashed my mates R6 id have had it now...but then if that was the case I wouldn't be driving the hyper....
You can't inflate the market by pricing highly because people will only pay what they are prepared to pay. It's what people are prepared to pay that sets the market price. Well, I suppose you could argue that with, say, houses, people don't have much choice as they have to live somewhere - generally where their work is. But bikes are purely a discretionary purchase. If it's too expensive, you don't buy it. If you buy it, it was the "market value" (unless you are the only cretin). As regards Ducati pricing, it is interesting that Aprilia - not a huge manufacturer despite all the scooters - has always offered as much or more for less than a Ducati. I suspect that if Ducati continue to fail to win races, their kudos will diminish and either their prices or their volumes with it. I suspect that many potential or current owners share Bootsam's viewpoint. Ducatis have a hidden "brand value" but part of that is bound up with race success and superior innovation. If they don't win things and fail to out-innovate the competition, they'll be on a sticky wicket. The 851 was hugely innovative (4 valve watercooled desmo V-Twin). The 916 was innovative - design, SSS, underseat pipes etc etc. The 999? Hmmm. The 1098? Really? The Panigale is innovative, but doesn't seem to produce superior handling or performance vs the competition. Where Ducati have really innovated is in the Multistrada and the Diavel. Both broke the mould. Problem is that the real kudos in Ducati is bound up in their sportsbikes, and if those aren't demonstrably superior or more drool-worthy than other brands, they have a problem.
The OP doesn't understand economics. That aside, the bike isn't technically the same. Private on eBay, any issues are your problem if you buy the bike. The dealer will service the bike, give a warranty and maybe provide financial services or incentives you would not have buying private on eBay. You could also trade in your bike hassle free so again not the same. So the dealer saw a bike with a low price, has taken it in and will turn it around maybe at a lower price than advertised to someone who has ease of transaction and peace of mind.
No, you can't. Unless the other sellers in the market all do the same - which they may well do, in some types of market.
Just getting back into bikes and I have to say I always wanted a Ducati. Well its a bloody Ducati after all. I could have got a jap but they didn't seem that cheap and they are fat. Ducati just does it for me and unfortunately they are bloody expensive. I don't know what a dealer makes and I don't care. Alfa cars are not the best but they catch my eye and I've had few. I know my next bike in several years will be the 899. Overpriced, maybe, but I honestly don't care.
The dealer also has certain overheads and risks that a private seller does not, such as a mandatory 3 month warranty. Scrawling sold as seen on the receipt does not waive that duty either. Unless explicitly sold as parts, or not working it must be fit for reasonable purpose - I.e. that £4k R1 must not be smoking like a chimney and not go into 3rd every time there is a y in the day.
Overpriced? Against what? A 1000cc Jap IL4?I think when you actually compare all the toys that Ducati have added to the 899 over what you'll get with a bog standard Jap bike then it is worth the money being asked. And I haven't even factored in the exclusivity of the brand or the looks.
El toro, like I say, I will be on Ducati for foreseeable future. You have admit though, Ducati isn't cheap. The Evo has no toys and smaller go faster mirrors
