Held Quattrotempi might be both types gloves in one (for you) https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesoci...gore-tex-air-n-dry-quattrotempi-gloves-review I posted before reading the whole thread and see now that I am the 3rd person who recommended these gloves. They really are superb for anything except the deepest of deep winter riding and I am someone who really feels the cold. Duke is also right about the sizing.
