agreed - I may have misunderstood but worth stating (anyway) that Boxhill is only a convenient meeting point for most of the people I know and I can't see this ever changing - more people are aware of it, and it's far better placed for meeting up than Newlands when it comes to 'Londoners'. Just for the record, the original biker's meet at the top of Boxhill was easily the equal of Newlands Corner in it's day - fantastic views.