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Ah you see thats where things are being confused, in my own words ' the beemer has so much torque, even more useful & usable torque than the SF. You can roll along at 29mph through a speed camera in 5th (maybe 6th) without the engine complaining'

Im not saying it has more, i didnt mention more, i'm simply saying its far more usable because the engine doesn't complain and you can ride the torque easier in any gear. Thats just facts im afraid and experience from an owner whos had 3 of the bikes in question.

Try going 29mph in 5th on any Ducati, I can tell you from experience that it wont like it one bit.

 

Why would you though ? It's like saying "try putting frozen sausages in the toaster and see how that goes"... It's clearly obvious that isn't going to work.

So by using the right gear would make it better, that doesn't make the Ducati a less usable bike, just means it requires a little thought.

 

My SF will pull from 2500 revs in any gear. (Well certainly 5th. Not sure I've tried 6th. As Weeksy says, why would you?). Its a twin after all with 4" pistons, not a straight six. It has been balanced and tuned it is true but it would do that before I had that work done. To get the best from them though they do need decent cans and a remap to clean up the fuelling caused by emissions regs.
I've got a KTM SMT as well. The LC8 feels like it ought to be smoother and more tractable than the more thuggish Ducati but actually SF pulls more cleanly from lower down. The KTM doesn't achieve much below 3000. Mind you it is a standard bike. Its due a remap to switch off the Euro bullshit as soon as some new cans arrive.

 

Good point but the reason why you would is that you can I guess. The fact that the beemer can do it and without fuss makes it easier and so I'll stand by that. I will have to try the sausages thing though as that could be a winner, do you think thawed sausages would work?

The beemer definitely has plenty of torque and I was merely pointing that out, it's not a question about whether Ducatis are bad or whether bmws are good.

But saying there's no torque and it's all up the top end starts to sound very much like people who haven't ridden one thats all, it's not like the s1000rr 'all up the top' at all

 

Admittedly my SF wasn't mapped but I did drop a tooth and tried to sort it that way, it's not a bad bike at all but as you say the fueling definitely needs sorting if you're to get the better ride out of it.

 

I have ridden one and that was my impression. At the time I didn't own the SF. I had a Triumph Speed Triple and ridden back to back that felt gruntier lower down than the BMW. The SF feels gruntier again than the Triumph.
I've also ridden the S1000RR, a 2010 model and that is a very peaky bike. Of the two BMWs the naked is noticeably more torquey so the two should not be confused. (Don't know what a current model RR is like).
Impressions are what matter here and they are subjective. I had a Triumph. I knew it well and had identified where, for me, it was deficient. I tried the S1000R and it had more but not the sort of "more" I was looking for. The SF did and I came to it with scepticism.
It isn't a question of which bike is better but in what ways they are different and therefore which would fit the bill in this case.

 

Not sure, I only tried it once when drunk with frozen ones... lets say it didn't go as well as we'd hoped...

 

That how you lost the 6st weeksy, eh lol

Mate tried the meemer and tuono back to back, plus the latest hyper sp, bout the tuono. Bext mix of tech, power, handling and excitement. Said the beemer was awesome in a 'its so easy...' Way and uninspiring

Funny how we find those bikes hardest to ride most engaging and most fun

 

Pizza in a toaster doesn't work.

 

Pads are often changed with discs due to different discs requiring different pad types, however to the best of my knowledge, Galfer are generally quite generic with pads and should work fine.

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It's not small exactly, it's just lower in seat height and you sit in it more and flatter. The Tuono is taller by about 25-30mm but you're more on top of it and slightly angled down. The beemer feeling lower to the road just seems to tip in far easier than the taller Tuono, not that the Tuono isn't fantastic handling, the beemer is just far easier.

We did a great comparison test after getting neck ache on the Tuono far more than the bmw and I couldn't figure out why,
when I'd owned the aprilia before I'd always thought it was simply wind blast but neither had screens on and being tall I'm well above what the stock stuff dissipates.

Just sitting in turn on both bikes, feet on the floor and hands on bars in a relaxed posture I looked at the back of a parked car up ahead, when on the bmw I looked forward my view was pretty much straight on and able to see up and around the car. I was sat flat and relaxed

So I thought the Tuono being taller would improve on that, however in the same relaxed posture it was actually a much lower view, more towards the rear bumper. That's due to the angle it puts you in.

Basically I wasn't getting neck ache because of wind, it was because I was having to tip my head back to get a better view up ahead. Its something I'd have never figured out without both bikes side by side in the car park

 

All this chat is the reason why taking a decent test ride is the only way. I sold my 1098SF last year and spent almost a day on S1000R, KTM SDR, M1200S and the Aprilia. I found the S1000R 'plain', others dont (they're selling well). SDR wasn't right. M1200S a little limp and bought a Tuono.

Of all the bikes Mr Sofa is discussing I'd have the SF. Not that surprising since its a Ducati forum and we're all interested in Ducati's. I bet the S1000R would be 'the only choice' on a BMW forum too.

 

Tricky thing, ergonomics. Another reason to take a test ride. Everybody's different.
Your explanation damodici might explain why I personally find the SF comfortable and with so little wind blast. (And equally why someone taller might not). There must be a magic zone where you body it tilted forward sufficiently to reduce wind pressure to the body but not so far that you're forced to tip your head back to see, thereby catching wind to the face. Now you mention it, although the riding position feels quite sporty I never get neck ache. Perhaps its just right for my forward vision. Maybe I won't change those bars.
On the S1000R, I don't know much about semi-active suspension, but I take it the ride height can be adjusted and the bike's posture altered? The active bit just operates on the damping doesn't it?
When I rode one I felt the back was squatting a bit much under acceleration and the front needed more weight on it for my tastes. That could be because I'd just got off a Speed Triple which is a heavier bike altogether with more weight on the front wheel. All the more since I'd had a pro suspension set-up done which had dropped the front and raised the back (and transformed the handling). Presumably semi-active suspension doesn't stop you making these adjustments?