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996 Invaluable Info/facts Thread For 996r

Discussion in '748 / 916 / 996 / 998' started by 92GTA, Dec 6, 2022.

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    A generic OE battery. I've yet to track down its exact info. All the good info is probably on the back side we can't see :(

    UPDATE: It's a Fiamm FT12B-BS

    I also found what the OE 1999 996 battery looked like for comparison:
    1999 996 batt.jpg
     
    #141 92GTA, Jan 12, 2023
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  2. OEM for models up to year 2000 should have been Yuasa YB16AL-A2.

    From 2001 they switched to YT12B-4 a smaller more modern battery.

    The 1999 battery would have looked more like this:

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    The YT12B-4 would look more like the one in your 1999 picture - note the smaller size and that the larger battery tray is still there with a smaller insert - so the battery in that pic isn’t OEM for 1999.

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    Attached are screenshots in PDF form of the bikes that came with each battery type. They were too long for normal screenshots!
     

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  3. Oh ok, now I totally see the size difference and the 2 trays in that other picture.
     
  4. I should have said - the 2001 996 used the tray insert to use the smaller battery.

    The 2001 996R used the battery tray from the 998 series - which is why yours looks so different!
     
    #144 LiveFast......, Jan 12, 2023
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  5. My bad. I saw the cover with “r” and got a bit carried away. :joy:
     
  6. Haha, that makes us all excited doesn't it lol
     
  7. This is a great thread, always interested to know the latest.
    Please keep up your ridiculous (no offence intended) attention to detail :upyeah:
     
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  8. Ha, I absolutely will. In another life, I was DEEP down the rabbit hole of 1950s Corvettes here in California for nearly a decade. I not only was an NCRS member, but also a judge for the 56-57 class at events. Some of my research even rewrote aspects of the judging manual. My 56 had 24K original miles when I got it and was unbelievably original. I was so obsessed, I even bought a dozen NOS fuel filters (cause you can see them in the glass bowl) to drive around with. NOS air cleaner, etc., the whole bit. I put about another 20K miles on that car and loved it like most wouldn't believe. What was great was that the condition was maybe like a 5 or a 6, it wasn't immaculate showroom new, it was driver quality if you are being generous. But everything was spot on correct, not a single reproduction part on the entire vehicle.

    Anyway, that attention to detail, down to the precisely correct fasteners on everything, certainly struck a nerve with me. I love the chase of correct parts sometimes even more than other ownership aspects.

    So if there is anyone who could correct a low mileage 996R to be true "concours" correct, it's me LOL! I got really lucky in that my 996R was kept virtually all original by the first 2 owners, it wasn't modified to the nuts like many. I looked at half a dozen and bought this one solely on its originality and condition.
     
    #151 92GTA, Jan 22, 2023
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  9. I was wondering where your username comes from but didn’t wanna ask and derail a thread, but you did mention cars… I’ve had a couple of 350ci GTAs an 89 and a 90. (In the U.K. it’s not a regular or common car).
     
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  10. Indeed, my all-time pride and joy (far as cars) is a 1992 Trans Am GTA I've had for nearly 23 years. One of only 16 made in the 25th-anniversary colour Dark Jade Grey Metallic. I'm proud to say I've personally put nearly 200K miles on that car. I also used to own 1991 Firehawk #003, which had 1,525 original miles.

    But don't think I'm Mr. No Fun Original over here, I have a Porsche 993 that's very modified and a Pro Touring 69 Firebird I've changed everything on over the years.
     
    #153 92GTA, Jan 22, 2023
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  11. Updated info I have learned about the shipping/display stand...

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    There are 2 versions out there, part numbers 69920641A and 69920641AB. - The newer has the axle peg/shaft/pin with 2 diameters that are stepped (22mm > 17mm), and the older has just one consistent shaft size (22mm). Please correct me if I'm wrong on the exact mm size. The 996R came with the (22mm > 17mm), the 69920641AB with the stepped shaft.

    I *think* I have those P/Ns the right way around, please correct if wrong.
     
    #154 92GTA, Feb 23, 2023
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  12. Well… :thinkingface: Having manipulated dozens of these yesterday afternoon, my impression was that, unlike more recent garage stands, the pins on these could not be swapped easily… Why not try and source the correct one (there’s no real rush when looking for a 25 year old part, right?) instead of customizing/damaging one that someone out there might be searching for?

    Also, not sure at all the stepped vs non-stepped pin has anything to do with bike stability while on the stand. I am pretty sure rear axles are the same on all these bikes (at least they are on my 916 and 998). We used both without making any difference and everything is pretty stable. If you want my guess, stepped is simpler to engage. Better engineering. But probably cost more to produce. And reducing unnecessary costs was the #1 priority when TPG took over from Cagiva in 1999…
     
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  13. Hmm, good points and thanks for the info.

    Some grinding and welding would certainly be involved to swap the pin. You are right, I'm in no particular hurry.

    I guess I'll ask you to once again please keep an eye out for me on finding the correct version haha!
     
  14. I’ll keep looking, no problem. :upyeah::)
    Had I known, I would have taken pictures of these stands yesterday.

    About the « stability » issue, I have to add that using these stands as a single operator must take some training, skills and brute force. We did all these as a team of two: a buddy holding the front of the bikes while I was pushing and pulling on the stands at the back. There was no way we would risk dropping a bike. I have sore shoulders today… Definitely not garage/shop friendly. As you mentioned, more of a display tool.
     
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  15. Thanks so much! Yeah, I just learned about this difference.

    Indeed. I have a regular triangle-shaped stand I'll use unless it's going to be put away for an extended period of time.
     
    #158 92GTA, Feb 23, 2023
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  16. Another little tidbit of info I've learned about the 996R to update the thread with.....

    I'm an American so this is news to me since I'm used to motorcycles in crates (wooden, nowadays cardboard & metal). I found out that UK (possibly all EU) delivery 996Rs were delivered via basic stillage to the dealerships rather than wooden creates. This is a quote from the original buyer of #0031 "It was delivered on a stillage, Ducati in Europe was having a push on being green. Honda Suzuki etc was having to reduce the waste, stillage go back to the factory to be used with another bike".

    This original owner also confirmed that the deposits taken online that fateful morning of 12 Sep, 2000 were in the amount of £2,000 and Ducati allowed him to "nominate" a dealer of his choice for the delivery.

    Anyway, just a couple of factoids I wanted to drop in this thread.
     
    #159 92GTA, Mar 2, 2023
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  17. Thinking out loud.....

    Since I now have 2 real first-hand accounts from original buyers directly to me personally (and for bikes I've owned so confirmed via documentation) each representing a different method of ordering; one online the morning of 12 Sept, and the other via a main dealership the day Ducati allowed ordering post 12 Sep (1 Jan 2001) - that puts to bed a couple of myths...... First that "they all sold out" via online ordering or even the fact that just all serialized bikes sold out online. Here are the facts as of now:

    1) Morning of 12 Sept 2000, online ordering is available for a few short hours. 2K deposit, buyer nominates dealer to complete the transaction upon delivery.
    2) The number of orders Ducati took on 12 Sept is 373-375 units (confirmed by Ducati in writing)
    3) We know 500 serialized bikes ended up being made and either 198 or 200 non-serialized "off-road use" bikes made.
    4) The buyer who I know ordered online 12 Sept received serialized #31 and the buyer I know who ordered at a dealership 1 Jan received serialized #81.
    5) We know the bikes were built in batches; a batch of street bikes or two here, a batch of track bikes there, and this cycle repeats throughout the first half of 2001 with deliveries to dealerships starting ~3rd week of May 2001.

    Here are the current unknowns that hopefully someone here has first-hand knowledge of and can help us out:

    1) How and when buyers were given a choice between a road version vs a track version.
    2) What countries were even allowed online ordering?

    I'm going to ask the owner I know who did his online if he had the choice of a road bike or a track bike. I will ask the same of the owner I know who did the order at a dealership the same thing, did he have a choice. - Oddly enough both these bikes were UK and went thru Brett at Pro Twins.

    I *think*, pure speculation on my part, that only road bikes were offered for sale to the general public until the 500 had been sold. Throughout this time a race team or independent could get a track version anytime via Ducati directly - the most serious and top-tier teams, (factory backed directly got F01 bikes) bought the 996RS. Once the 500 road bikes had been sold out, they had tons of track versions left so they sent those out to dealerships all over the world to sell. - BUT even my own speculation couldn't be true just based on the order circumstance and serial # bike delivered to the 2 owners I referred to (like a guy getting #81 who ordered in Jan when 375 bikes pre-sold online?)..... UNLESS.... certain serial # ranges were reserved for certain markets! Hmm... I know some bikes in the single digits and teens are in AUS, some bikes twenty-something into the 80s are in the UK, etc. etc. Seems like a wild guess that's probably wrong tho.

    Open to thoughts.....

    Ian Falloons's book shows this for 996R production numbers:

    996 R 2001 Testastretta Red Internet - 191 (included in this batch were 56 UK Strada versions assembled on Jan 29th, 2001)
    996 R 2001 Testastretta Red - 120
    996 R USA 2001 Testastretta Red - 60 (un-numbers Corsa versions)
    996 R Aus 2001 Testastretta Red - 40
    996 R Jpn 2001 Testastretta Red Internet - 113
    996 R Jpn 2001 Testastretta Red - 50
    996 R 2001 Testastretta Red Internet - 56
    996 R 2001 Testastretta Red - 30
    996 R France 2001 Testastretta Red Internet - 13
    996 R France 2001 Testastretta Red - 25

    Total: 698 world wide



    Here are screenshots I got of the Ducati website for 30 Sept 2000, after online ordering. Sadly these are the only copies I could find of the site on the internet archive (way back machine) which had the 996R. I REALLY wish someone had a screenshot of the ordering page for 12 Sept...

    sb996R.jpg
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    #160 92GTA, Mar 2, 2023
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