Well done ST, nicely copied and pasted made up facts from a pro-Isreal Zionist website (is that plagiarism!?): Muhammad: Jews and the Jihad You really are a joke. Do you get paid to troll?
In World War I, the British government made promises to the Arabs, to the Jews, and to the French, but sadly those promises were incompatible with one another. It was the promises made to the Arabs which were most comprehensively violated, at Versailles in 1919 and afterwards up to 1948. British policy in that period was to keep the Palestinians helpless and subjugated until the Jews had colonised their land, which is what happened. Britain then withdrew and left them to their fate. This story was one of the more shameful episodes in British colonial history, and we have nothing to be proud of. Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians nor the British who are alive today are responsible for the errors and crimes of their grandfathers. But it is not reasonable to expect those who inherit legitimate grievances to abandon them, whilst those who inherit usurped power and stolen land get to keep them.
I agree with you that many muslim-dominated states are also very undemocratic, abusive, oppressive, etc. That is all perfectly true. But that fact does not justify making false and unrealistic claims about how wonderful Israel is.
Is there a statute of limitations on the usurping of peoples' homelands? I hope so or we are all criminals.
Pete1950 said: ↑ You really have no idea what "treason" actually means, have you? "The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country". JJ and his crew live in Britain. His acts and that of his friends and family have gone against Bristish law, customs and beliefs...YOU Pete are not understanding that we have allowed this for to long, soft lefty ideas leading to insubordination.
Good point. If you go back far enough, all land has been conquered by force at some point. 1066 anybody? The conquest of Greek Constantinople by the Turks in 1453 is not going to be reversed, after upwards of 550 years. The conquest of Canada and Australia by British forces in the 19th century, to the detriment of the autochthones, is permanent. The transfer of ancestral Prussian lands to Poland in 1945, with forced population expulsions, seems permanent - at least the Germans are not asking for them back so far. The occupation of Palestine by the Israelis in 1948/1967 is still a bone of contention, and will remain so until the Palestinians get their land back (or are all killed, of course). The transfer of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in 1954 has been reversed in 2014, and the present situation is probably a final and permanent settlement.
The guy in question may well have committed murder, rape, genocide, and a hundred other appalling crimes for which he deserves punishment. That does not mean he has committed treason. So what the fuck does that have to do with "soft lefty ideas"?
Can we stop calling this individual Jihadi John? There is no such thing as Jihad or holy war. The term has no relevance in our culture and should not enter the language. His name is not John and he is not a warrior, holy or otherwise. Nor should we glamorise or sensationalise him and his deeds by calling him a terrorist. He is a criminal, nothing more. A delusional, socially inadequate psychopath and a coward who has murdered defenceless men who were kneeling at gunpoint with their hands tied behind their backs. His crimes do not terrify us. They are despicable, weak, bestial and beneath contempt. We do not need to re-examine ourselves in their light. Show his face, use his real name and call him what he really is.
I'm a little unclear on what the resolution to the Palestinian issue might be (I'm sure I'm not alone here). I'm guessing that the two main front runners for a solution are maintaining the status quo and watching the systematic "elimination" (slaughter) of some 8 million people. The first otion is where we are now. In the second option, we don't even have the benefit of novelty, although it does have the advantage of being "final" Is there a third option? A mass exodus of people from where they live to, ah, where exactly? How about Nebraska? In this thread, we have established that no one is innocent and everyone behaves atrociously. OK. Now what?
Where you can be anti-Semitic without fear of retribution but criticise Muslims at your peril. But yes, I agree with you. In general this is just about the best place in the world to live, if the the forty or so countries I've visited are anything to go by anyway. That's why half the world, and Muslims on particular, want to live here. Question is: should we let them and risk falling victim to their arcane and somewhat barbarian customs. There's a thing to ponder eh? If it ain't broke why fix it? We've done fine without waves of Muslim immigration in the past - and there are plenty of non-Muslims who want to come here so ... Just a thought. I wouldn't want us to betray our principles ...
No answer? You seem keen to push other folks to answer your nonsense questions... And why post a load of utter crap, to be rebutted by the truth (in this case by Pete) and just bend over and admit it (everything you probably copied and pasted) was all wrong....why? What a pointless time wasting exercise!
There is a huge difference between sympathising with someone's cause and supporting it. Would I understand shy someone might want to bomb a mosque? Of course, people feel outraged (quite rightly) at recent events, and some feel retaliation is appropriate.. Would I support their actions? Not in a million years, not even close to it.. All they are saying is that there is a portion of British Muslims who understand why the Charlie hebdo attackers felt the way they did. It's a statistic that's been horribly twisted.
I was trying to think of a ridiculous example to parody the idea of people having "some sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo attack" statement ... but I couldn't come up with anything. The concept of sympathising with murderers who kill simply because of the cartoons the victims drew is its own hyberbole.
I was out riding my bike. Which is what you'd be better employed doing. I'm not going to retype research if it reflects my opinion. That would just waste my time.
