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Looks Like The Date Has Been Set…..

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by El Toro, Jul 15, 2021.

  1. It is being looked at as an alternative for F1, so perhaps car manufacturers will follow suit. Surely it can't be beyond the R&D capabilities of their combined efforts to save the ICE?

    ...and as if by magic: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/57842205
     
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  2. Don’t worry by 2035 we will only be 10 years away from all being able to travel between 2 cities most of us don’t want to go to a blistering 25mins faster than we can now ;):upyeah:
     
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  3. Aren’t the VAG group developing synthetic fuels?
     
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  4. I am sure I read something about 3 or 4 years back that Bosch (I think) in conjunction with either BMW or VAG had developed or were developing a common rail type diesel motor with almost no harmful emissions. Electric vehicles are never gonna be viable. Its as I said at the top, either horse and cart or a clean ICE that will come along.
     
  5. And Germany will be only three years away from closing its last coal fired power station. Yes folks, the zero emission cars we get from Germany will be built using electricity from coal.
     
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  6. Wouldn’t the true solution be to make ICE run on fuel that is renewable/environmentally friendly? Less cost of r&d, less use of rare minerals, less change to infrastructure (which has its own massive impact)? And won’t ships, HGV, planes etc all need fuel still? So work on a diesel substitute that’s man made - isnt that the natural answer?
     
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  7. But you need energy to make man-made substitutes. And thats before you burn them.
     
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  8. That's the biggest issue.

    Until there's a wholesale commitment to updating the ageing nuclear fission infrastructure (other than Hinckley Point C) or they crack nuclear fusion (which seems unlikely) and use excess energy generated by renewables to split water to produce hydrogen, it's all just rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.
     
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    I wonder if you can fit Akra’s to a camel?
     
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  10. You need energy to make solar, wind, every thing. So spend more on developing new, and dump all the old, or spend less money developing rescuing old tech.
    Isn’t that the whole ethos behind recycling and saving the planet?
     
  11. Yes but then the energy production is free. Its not the case if its a continuous cycle of producing fuel to burn once.
     
  12. Honestly, if you think it’s free you real do need to pass the doochie left ;)

    Maintenance. Replacement. Shipping power. Storing power. Disposal of new and old kit.

    We have a large commercial printer that needs disposal at the mo. It works but out of service and support. It’s worth nothing, can’t give away as there are laws around safe and secure disposal. It’s gonna cost 3k. It will be lifted from its home. Moved to its end of life disposal home 600 miles away. To then be sent to a disposal company (we pay again for that!) who then sell on to African and other countries. Where it’s then starts the shipping process again.

    Removing aged kit, bearing in mind turbines etc don’t have much of a lifespan, will be no different
     
  13. Whatever the arguments, the petrol driven engine has a limited lifespan
     
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  14. When the moon goes into ‘wobble’ mode around 2030 I’m moving the bikes to higher ground and getting one of these to commute on https://taigamotors.ca/watercraft/
    I’m 400m from the sea and NASA says it’s not going to be dry:(
     
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  15. Mmm, sea water and a lithium chemistry battery. What could possibly go wrong ? :joy: Andy
     
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  16. Isn’t there also the small problem of safely storing hydrogen in a moving vehicle?

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  17. Didn’t the Chinese last week manage 120 million Centigrade for 101 seconds in their fusion reactor? I thought the point of it was to replicate the sun, the sun burns at something like 15million C so aren’t they overshooting somewhat?
     
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  18. You need extreme heat or pressure or a combination of both.

    Currently any working system, at a test level, consumes more energy than it generates so it's a complete non starter.

    Perhaps in the future it'll be a reality but not any time soon.
     
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