Everyone complaining about the price of a V4S and the exhaust seems to give the impression this is a new problem. The V4S at at launch 6 years ago was £24k and the outgoing model was already £28k (and don't start on that exhaust cost - how can Akra charge 3-4 times what a full exhaust is on any other model?). This was the reason I moved to BMW for 4 years, when a new from dealer S1000RR with full Akrapovic cost me just £16k and was half what the equivalent V4S was at that time (2020). However that BMW price has now crept to £22k (from an RRP of £17k). Over the time period 2020 to 2024 the S1000RR RRP has moved £5k and the V4S RRP has also moved £5k, with the Ducati % rise being less. I think the R1M price over the same period has been ~£3k. Everything is more expensive, and Ducati remains the most expensive! For me it just reached a point of me simply deciding what I wanted to ride regardless of cost, and that was the V4S....
I think the problem (of Akra exhaust price) lies firmly and entirely with Ducati. They seem to have an exclusive, restrictive distribution agreement such that Akra exhausts are only supposed to be available from ducati network. And that is how they control the outrageous costs. Plus, I imagine, volume of product for Ducatis is probably lower than for other marques like Honda, BMW etc (exclusivity don't ya know). It's sad that companies like Akra sign up to these restrictive agreements but it is quite common - Ferrari do it with virtually every component on their cars e.g. suspension solenoid on a 550 is £600+ from Ferrari whilst the same part but bought for a corvette is about £150. This is just the sort of sharp practise that market regulatory bodies should be addressing but of courser they don't.
its the same with the DP termi systems and Reparto Corse, you cant get support from Termi as its a Ducati only item etc..
Thanks, I looked at getting it done before but wasn’t happy with potential gaps between areas of wrap. I have to say yours looks really good though and I like that the tank isn’t part of it. Have you got any other pics of the bike?
why do you have to have dealer install them? I fitted my akra myself and just had the dealer load the map
I’m not exactly in the first flush of youth. If truth be known, I bordering on being a dinosaur. However, I find the R1M surprising roomy. The engine has the strange ability to be aggressive whilst being super, super smooth. In Power Mode A, it’s too much, it’s super aggressive. In Power Mode B, it’s the same horsepower but it’s silky smooth. It’s a very refined bike whilst being a bit of animal. I like it.
I note that on track days, the majority of bikes seem to be R1's, S1000RR's and gixxers. There are few Ducati's comparitively speaking and its like R1 and Sthou are the bikes to use. I hate the 6th gear of the sthou, bastards However, I applaud their terrible brakes.
this irks me!!! It shows how out of touch with the market the Japanese are. the wings are screwed onto original fairings: On top of this, why say it’s for racers and trackdays and provide it with upgraded suspension (that racers will bin off anyway) and leave the stock exhaust on it. If I was Yamaha… I’d supply it with a basic stainless but non catalytic exhaust, that’s good enough for trackdays and even low level club riding, stock forks, no abs and upgraded brake caliper and MCS. And a really good OEM style figerflass race fairing. it would then surely appeal, it would be ready to go track wise
The bike looks great, but with the exhaust costing about one third of the cost of the entire base model bike… it’s really got quite silly. I’d still want one though… Find a bad review…
I saw an interesting photo of an old Ducati advert today and I know people moan about the price of the new Pani V4S so I thought, for my own curiosity, I’d do a quick comparison. Here’s Ducati’s pricing from 1991 Looking at the 851 SP, the top of the range road/track bike back then. How much would it cost today, taking into account inflation, according to the BoE, it would be £32,410 today. Maybe £29,995 isn’t such a bad price after all
The stock brakes get a lot of bad press and whilst they aren’t as good as Brembo (which is why I fitted them to mine) they aren’t too bad. The power is there, particularly with replacement pads but the feel isn’t. It’s more down the the MC than anything else, that is a bit pants.
Calipers on the r1 are fine, it's the abs that are thr problem. Master cylinder and direct lines sort it fine
agreed! The calipers on the Yamaha’s are really good, well built, don’t seem to get gummed up, it’s the abs that’s weak
I know this question might be too early to answer but does anyone know if the 22+ Panigale forks/shock slot into the new Panigale? I am contemplating looking at a V4 as a track bike and wondering if the current aftermarket suspension will slot in?
.... and Fast bike and MCN and every single youtube channel that has ridden it at Vallelunga. Everyone was blown away by it and nobody had a bad word to say about it. Either Ducati employ Derren Brown at their launches or it is a really good bike. The big talking point that they surprisingly all loved was the linked rear braking setup to help cornering.
