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Norton Deposit Info, It's Demise & It’s New Owners

Discussion in 'Other Bikes' started by John W, Oct 16, 2018.

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  1. How does it work that the PM (May) introducted Garner personally to Chinese manufacturers? How does it work that the police haven't been to Garners home and arrested him? How does it work that unemployed people who are ten minutes late to sign on are fined, yet Garner owes the taxpayers £5million and no one in the government seems to mind?
     
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  2. part two of the saga is an interesting read. I feel sorry for the guy, having stumped up a bunch of money then realising he was essentially locked in with little chance of selling his share, or getting honest answers.

    I have now received my refund as of last week (originally paid by Lloyds bank debit card).
     
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  3. It does seem a little odd that the guy who is a business man, with an engineering background, parted with a million pounds without making fairly stringent investigations? If he is an innocent party who has naively been worked over by a con man, I am sorry for him too, but is this the whole picture?

    I'm also puzzled at his lack of action regarding his alledgedly forged signature on documents. If some cnut had just robbed me of a million pounds, a potentially lucrative business and dragged me into a scandalous bankruptsy, there is no way in the world I would not have nailed him for clear cut fraud. I wonder why he hasn't?
     
    #1044 Jez900ie, Mar 5, 2020
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  4. I would think the same it sounds a bit like he's trying a to distance himself from responsibility !
     
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  5. It struck me as odd too, but it could be he was embarrassed he had been caught, or believed with sufficient time Garner could make it work and he would get his money out. Typical early investor attitude: speculate to accumulate.
    Personally I wouldn't have gambled with that much money, and would have wanted something a bit more tangible than a verbal conversation.
    Once I was advised of the signature issue I would have wanted my money out, else you risk being considered complicit in anything that happens going forward.
     
  6. Assuming all the above is correct, after losing everything, I'd want some revenge. Reporting an easy to prove bank forgery, would have been an immediate reaction whilst I was out and about trying to arrange an agreement with Keyser Söze for full vengence. Unless there's more to this than we are being told...
     
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  7. "Unless there's more to this than we are being told..."

    agree ^ there are a few "lack of action" mysteries in that Part 2 interview above but (to me) Steve Murray comes over as genuine without hidden agenda, a businessman who's been caught out and he certainly hasn't held back in describing how Garner stole the money from the sale of his personal motorbike to (allegedly) pay for the kitchen at Donnington Hall.
     
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  8. Yes curiouser & curiouser... He lost a million quid, a potentially huge worldwide business but is mad about the loss of his bike... But not mad enough to get the police to arrest the guy for massive fraud using a fake of his signature on banking documents!
     
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  9. It’s a Reeves & Mortimer product!
     
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  10. Even they wouldn’t drag it out for twenty minutes.
     
  11. I had the pleasure/misfortune, which ever way you want to look at it, of forensically investigating fraud in a couple of situations, one a stock exchange listed company where mr & mrs John Smith’s - small time shareholders - had lost millions. In both cases we compiled large files with all the ‘banged to rights’ facts and presented them to the SFO, the City of London Police, the Thames Valley Police (who have a specialist fraud unit which is, or was at the time, the lead unit in the UK) and nothing happened. In one instance a previously convicted fraudster was involved. Fraud is very very very difficult to prove to the degree someone can be arrested and even harder to prosecute in a court. Sad but true. White collar crime pays.

    Sometimes you have to take things in hand yourself.
     
    #1052 West Cork Paul, Mar 5, 2020
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  12. we need to talk!
     
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  13. So thats why you left England!
     
  14. Witness protection programme :)
     
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  15. I heard you paint houses Paul?
     
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  16. I wonder how many people will get that? ;)
     
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  17. Not me. Andy
     
  18. Nor me :confused:

    @Chris ???
     
  19. its from a movie
     
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