Live and let live,I reckon.As long as the girls in question are old enough to know what they are doing and aren't being forced to do it,I don't see the harm.Wouldn't bother me if there were similar pics of blokes either If you don't like the pics,don't buy the paper. Doesn't seem to affect many peoples self esteem round here,still seeing plenty of pie-shop regulars with a copy of the Sun under their arm...........
Don't think I've ever said I want it stopped - just a bit sad and outdated IMHO Like I said in my first post - met many who do it seem to enjoy it - someone said no different to any club in any town - feel free to google away, just not sure how many would be comfortable if it was their teenage daughter - just sayin I'd be happier if my son was on the grid than my daughter - but we're back to Mars & Venus again - and I dont have a daughter so I guess I'm not qualified to comment :wink:
There is nothing in itself wrong in anyone making a clear choice about a career path, where the distasteful bit for me comes in is where the pitlane / podium girl becomes the defining image of women in sport, in fact it goes deeper than that and women are still generally defined not by their achievements but by their appearance. Mary Beard is a professor of classics at Cambridge but is criticised for appearing on TV in an unkempt manner. Rachel Riley has a degree in Maths from Oxford but only got the Countdown gig because she looks good in a short skirt and heels. Gabriella Sabatini had a fairly successful tennis career but the press coverage of her at Wimbledon each year was more than Monica Seles, Steffi Graf and Mary Joe Fernandez' combined, all of whom were more successful but didn't look so good in a photograph. This pervasive undermining of women's genuine achievement in life holds us all back, imagine what we all could achieve if 50% of humanity was encouraged to fulfill it's potential, images of long legged big boobed lycra clad women will not encourage our daughters to consider a career in motor sport engineering but it doesn't stop there, this is just the tip of an unpleasant iceberg. Half the "jokes" on the joke thread are vile unfunny comments based around women yet this is seen as "just a bit of a laugh" take a look at the Daily Mail website sometime, every day someone is described as showing off their "bikini body" or "ample curves" as if the only thing Helen Mirren has to be proud of is looking pretty good in a bikini for 62. Actually don't take a look I'd rather not add to that pernicious rag's hit rate if I can help it. In short, it's not "a bit of a laugh" it's an anachronism that has no place in an egalitarian society.
Fascinating post, shadow. Clearly sets up the debate for both sides of this issue. The "only a bit of fun" half will argue people are thinking way too deeply about all this and the "what signals are we giving our children, especially our daughters?" half will argue that people are completely missing the point. The only sane way out of this is for people to be fully accepting of both sides - that the female form is a wonder for men who enjoy it but that a "pleasing shape" is not important in the scheme of things. The human race as a whole will need a lot of maturing before it can handle that. I'm doing my bit - by enjoying the sight of a shapely figure but not making decisions simply on that basis :biggrin:
@ Shadow - good point, well made... I saw Karren Brady of TV last night. Now SHE is an inspirational woman ( I don't normally watch that lying oily toad Piers Morgan, but for Karren I'm willing to make an exception ). That is the sort of woman that kids should be encouraged to emulate. Unfortunately these days far too many of them think that being "a celebrity" is actually a career - it seems to have taken over from being a "wag". Meanwhile, back at the original post... It's a question of moderation, and of taste. Some events have particularly nicely dressed "grid girls". Page 3 ? Just titilation for fat old blokes who read tabloids, in my opinion... So - my thoughts are this, as a general principle, grid girls good, page 3 not good. That's just my opinion... Feel free to disagree...
This is intellectually all so true , but still eye pupils dilute when looking at bikini s ..and will keep doing so till mankind gets extinct ..
Oh yeah I forgot But you are always up in that big londinium and I never gets to see you fancy another session in the tattoo parlour?
Some people are attractive, others are not. Generally, attractive people are coveted by others. They are surely lucky. Some of them have realised they can make money from being attractive, and good luck to them. This pleases the attractive people, as they are better off. This also pleases the coveters because they get to see the attractive people more often. None of the people mentioned here have done anything that may be construed as odd or out of character, they are just being human. Some ugly people would have you believe that looking at attractive people somehow makes you a sex pest. They are only jealous.
