Even in the states I thought you had to warn of a gun and give chance to flee; not wander slower up behind, put the gun to the back of their head and shoot. If you dont, it doesnt make it right
Ah, but we were discussing what is murder, not what is right! If it helps, I agree with your point of view. However, in the States, I have heard anecdotal evidence (i.e. not sensationalist newspaper articles but friend-of-a-friend reports) that if you did "execute" a genuine burglar in your own home, the police tend to "fail to find any evidence" of such a thing. Self-defence, case closed. In any event, the wounds described in Pistorius' GFs case aren't as clear cut as a bullet to the back of the head or "two centre mass, one in the head" would be.
What I don't get tho, is how she has been cremated already. We've all seen CSI, they always go back and find something later And no way cold this ever be self defence; in no way was he threatened. Fwiw I'm not convinced he did it to kill her, ie not premeditated, but still murder in my book Altho assuming whenever a trial goes ahead the truth of any abuse will come out
Surely killing in self defence would/could be classed as manslaughter. I'm not an expert on the SA judicial system, but there will be a law that would work in a similar vein to 'death my misadventure'/'accidental death'/justifiable homicide especially given the violey nature of the SA currently and in the past. For the record, I'm not saying it could be one of those, I'm just thinking out loud. Bradders I think they will be playing heavily on the self defence angle despite, in our eyes anyway, a complete lack of threat. Anyway, he's been given bail so the media circus will calm down now until much later this, or maybe even next year, before a trial starts when it will all start up again. He will never run again professionally, SA has lost a National Hero and she has paid the ultimate sacrifice. A very sad story :frown: Personally, I really hope it was a tragic accident. Not because I know him, but maybe because I don't like seeing/reading about the true depth of the human character.
self defence?? so he was threatened by a person on the other side of a door? self defence argument is usually based upon proportional force, or a little but more than what is used against you using a gun is self defence is usually justified when you are either threatened with a knife or a gun, in this case this argument doesn't really hold water but money fame and connections usually buy their own justice, my money is on him walking free from this
You're applying UK values to a different country and situation. A very wealthy friend of mine lives like a recluse in his home north of Manchester. He lives behind security gates, video approved access and double entrance doors to his home because of threats due to his wealth, barred windows and alarms, it's no fun. Imagine the same in a society where in some locations violence is more extreme and the threat of violence perceived as higher.
Testosterone either herbal kind or normal found ... Previous visits to his place involving female ( domestics) one assault accusation that did not come to anything ..hmmmm Sounds like he's a hot head with women. Often come across as likable "nice " decent guys in public.. But behind closed doors different ball game. Combined with that drive to win .. Not good. Messing with male hormones brings on aggression and short tempers. Sounds like they had a row she either didn't go to bed or got dressed to leave , He maybe threatened her she ran to hide in toilet till he calmed down . Obviously she wouldn't come out he lost his rag and shot through the door. There was no way she could dodge the bullets . I suspect he then realised what he'd done and panicked. Itl be another OJ Simpson he will either walk free or the pressure will get to him.
Also odd she locked the door ... I do if my kids or friends of mine or people I don't know well are round but if it was just me and a BF would I bother locking the toilet door . I'd shut the door but not bother locking.
I'd love a bit of extra testosterone. Where can one buy such a thing?! Thread drift...maybe someone whohas a vague idea of the SA laws relating to self defence/defending your home (or someone with the drive to bother finding out) could post the facts.
OK so we save all that Rand on a trial and just send him down as we've got him banged to rights on here.
bradders I'd love a bit of extra testosterone. Where can one buy such a thing?! In one of those iffy pubs from the vending machine in men's loo's. itl be an OJ all over again sorry ..
according to my mother," allowing for lethal force only in situations where lives of innocent persons require protection." , yes she has had to surrender her gun to the police recently due to age, she is a widow now and 65 plus, and from her mouth if someone enters your house with a gun to commit crime, you may use a gun to defend yourself, if they enter your house to commit crime with a knife, you may not defend yourself with a gun, only a knife? laughable god yeh, but when you look at our laws and you clobber a burgler into your house and you are the criminal, enough said
As I understand it, it is common ground between the prosecution and the defence that P was not actually facing a threat. P's legal defence is that he reasonably believed (genuinely but mistakenly) that he faced a threat, and that he was entitled to defend himself against that threat. That is what "self defence" means in the context of this case. If the court believes P's story, he may be acquitted - but if they do not believe his story it presumably follows that he would be convicted.
