There is a phone app for the dvt S model that connects to the bike via its bluetooth. It allows you to record rides and provides stats as well as the route, also shows what mode yiu mostly rode in and what mode and fuel level you had when you turned the bike off Then as its an app its stores it on the 'Ducati cloud' so even if yiu delete the app, when putting it back on it loads up the stats Hth
Why would you rewrite the ECU with a custom map on a bike that was still in warranty? Its obviously going to invalidate that warranty. (One of the reasons I'm not tempted by a new bike on PCP - your hands are tied). If its your bike and the warranty has expired you can do what you like. You can still have general servicing done at a main dealer as long as it doesn't involve software updates, you just have to tell them to leave the mapping alone because it has been customised. KTM dealers see stacks of LC8 engines that have been rewritten to uncork them and turn off all the Euro emissions garbage. I'm sure Ducati dealers see lots as well, especially Multis which are known for iffy fuelling. Doesn't stop them servicing them and stamping the book. The real worry will be when and if non-standard mapping becomes a reason to fail the MOT. The EU type approval Starzi are trying to make this happen and they won't give up until they themselves have been deactivated.
Dave I am open to any conversation until that bloke is mentioned yea yea I 've met him the BS meter was in the red.
Ok, lets clear things up. It is possible for a keen technician armed with a scan tool to see that the bike has been reflashed. There is a flash counter that increments every time a calibration is written to the ECU. Some times the tuners figure out how to crack the flash counter and reset it, but if someone wants to dig deep enough they can still figure out that it's not a factory calibration. If you go to the dealer and they upload a new calibration to the ECU, it will overwrite whatever maps were already on there. You will then have to go back to your tuner and get it reflashed again. There is no magical black box sending your vehicle data to Ducati, however that is theoretically possible if you are using the Multistrada App connected to your 1200 S DVT.
Forget counters etc. Any reflash will change the hash or checksums. It's how we can tell if the software or code has correctly been loaded or not...you can't hack them as they are a function of the actual code and maths.
So I presume fitting a Power Commander is the only way then? Hopefully they'll have a compatible version out soon
I was under the impression that the power commander wasn't the best tool to use on a +2010 Multistrada as it cannot dynamically use the fly by wire data, gear position etc to modify the fuel and spark maps. My 2010 Mutley ran perfectly with custom maps worked out on a dyno. The best £400-500 I've ever spent on a bike. I believe the twin spark didn't get such good results. As far as the dvt is concerned I've no knowledge.
Without a doubt the pre dvt model is best for the ecu tune, had mine done by cjs What I mean is if the dvt can alert ducati to a flash tune then a pcv is likely the best option as it applies the map outside of the ecu and can be removed by the owner
Agree 100 percent.. Had a bike done there.. It takes him next to no time.. I reckon a couple of degrees timing advance regardless of the bike....BS aplenty with talk of "ecu pulling off a rotating carousel of maps in real time" whatever the feck that means..
Thanks heavens someone else out there that knows what's going on,talk to either JHP at Coventry or BSD at Peterborough who will do a dam good job of mapping your bike note I said map and not try to overwhelm you with BS.
JHP will put it on their magic dyno, and once it's been "remapped" it'll have 30bhp more than any equivalent in the country!
+1 on the bullshit. A mapped ECU can't tell it's being quizzed. It's software that will sit on an EEPROM or flash (memory chip) and it won't magically revert to stock if it detects it's being analysed. That would mean it has the stock mapping still in memory, ready to revert and swap over at a moments notice. Aircon is correct in that a checksum/hash is used to determine if software is what it should be. You can't fake it as it's a mathematic algorithm with the code as a part of it so the output changes if the software changes. Your computer will do it every time you download a document. It compares the checksum result against the file you were downloading, and ensure both match so you haven't lost data in the download. Best thing would be to have a spare ECU with your custom map on. That all depends though on what else the ECU does
most ECU's are locked in other manufactures, i.e Triumph locked there daytona ECU's so they can tell if you tamper with it. I think its going the way of Thou shall not mess with emissions. Said the Gov. to VW. wait isn't Ducati apart of the VW group. ooooopppsssss
You'll just start getting a fresh ECU with your remap on it. Keep the original for your mot's and warranty work.
I thought they could lock an ECU in to the ignition key though? If they can lock it in, can they not also lock a key out?
You have to be able to program a key to an ECU in case you lose keys. That means your 2nd ECU could be programmed to recognise your keys just fine.
