Apparently the nightingale hospitals aren’t being used because of the cost of staffing them. Perhaps forget chucking millions at test and trace and staff those hospitals would have been a better idea.
Perhaps it's because there is a global pandemic after all and doctor surgeries are aware that letting people come uncontrolled would spread a virus which is more contagious and deadlier than flu and yet more people would die?
It’s interesting hearing different views. When they found a tumour in my daughters face the NHS were fantastic and continue to be in monitoring her. What I would say is, is it ‘finding’ the right person, surgeon my daughter ended up seeing was spot on, not just for the physical side of it but the emotional side too. Perhaps a big problem for the NHS is the way it is used, people turning up at a doctors surgery wanting antibiotics because they sneezed twice that morning, going to A&E when they didn’t need to etc. Only had brief experience so far of private healthcare ( new work perk) but haven’t been impressed.
Never mind the cost, who is going to staff them. 100 000 vacancies in the NHS at this moment. We could always use foreigners. Oh wait, we either pisses them off so much they don't want to come (96% reduction in trained nurses coming from the EU since the referendum) or they don't fulfill the immigration criteria as NHS wages for nurses don't qualify to as skilled labour.
I’m not saying there isn’t. There have been other years with similar excess winter deaths, but didn’t even make the news.
Can you provide a link to the fact of 100k vacancies please. Any idea how many non-UK citizens work in the NHS now? Are you referring to this? https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-vacancies/ @Alan williams mostly emergency care, save your life stuff, is top notch. Its the stage between that and leaving hospital then the longer term care. Some of it is comms, i.e. they don't do any! and some is that you see different consultants every time so never get a true ideas of whats happening.
Staff those hospitals? Who with? it takes 3 - 5 years to train a nurse before they get involved in specialisms like respiratory or infectious disease control, doctors take 5 years followed by another 10 or so in specialisation. Just saying "Hire more staff" is along the lines of saying "Make a wish and everyone will get better"
My experience is the NHS saved my life and continues to do so Apart from one nurse my care was exemplary I didn’t see staff standing around doing nothing Occupational therapy organised equipment for my return home and a district nurse and palliative care organised Now old people are left in beds due to nowhere to go they are not allowed home on their own and often waiting for care plans to be put in place so they can return home and these things don’t happen over night they often have to wait for beds to become available in half way homes. Many have complex needs also The system isn’t quick enough or capable of handling oldies
Throwing millions into private companies for test and trace doesn't seem to have helped much was my point really, shortage of nurses and doctors is a whole new conversation.
according to the link I posted above, vacancies aren't empty, they are being filled predominantly by temp staff, which include Drs and nurses. Its why the bills are so high. Let em ask you, as a nurse, do you take a job that pays £22k pa or do you take the temp role that pays double but you don't get hols pay and more flexibility about where/how you work, knowing full sell its guaranteed you will...same with Docs
I think we got lucky. After removing the tumour (twice) we had the option to transfer care to a nearer hospital or stay with Addenbrookes. We chose to stay with Addenbrookes and have always seen the same consultant, it’s made a big difference.
Wasn’t the app contract originally given to cummings’s sister as well for 11million and she failed miserably yet kept all the wedge ? Something like that wasn’t it ?
And here is one about the reduction in nurses from the EU. https://www.health.org.uk/chart/cha...The latest figures from the,to 805 in 2017/18.
The answer could be to pay nurses a better salary then. Just my opinion but didn't help when they made nursing a university degree, didn't the UK have a reputation for producing some of the best nurses when it was a mix of 'on the job' and classroom, I wonder how many would be nurses are put off by the debt involved of a degree when the salary offered doesn't reflect a degree qualification
Interesting link. So above statement still stands: the jobs are pretty much filled but by temps, and why do it for salary rate when a temp rate is so much higher?! 1.1m work in NHS, and those charts for 18/19 show about 7500 nurses or 2% of the workforce (330,000 work in NHS) and 8000 5% (from 150k) maybe Drs registered from EU and non EU places. Of which majority are non-EU and the number is still twice of that in 2009 when the crash happened.
Well, the NHS saved my life at least twice back in the 60s. Once when I had bowel cancer and once when I cut an artery in my leg in a motorcycle smack. Since then, it saved my life in the mid 80s when I had a severe attack of viral pneumonia. Then in 2011 having another pneumonia attack; 2013 having an MI (heart attack); 2017 pneumonia again; 2020 pneumonia FFS; and I suppose they have done well up until now with the current cancer problem which became evident in 2017. The current situation is now somewhat debatable.....if we can agree on treatment I will agree to (rather than radical surgery) it may save my life, otherwise I have had it.
