So If A Covid Vaccine Were Released Tomorrow..

I remember always being told caring was a vocation, not an occupation.

Society has changed, all people care about now is themselves. If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have all the issues with elderly homelessness, care homes etc. Simple fact is, f*ck you is the way most live their lives

 

Interesting
https://fullfact.org/health/non-covid-deaths-homes/
Numbers of deaths in private homes is up, substantially, and one of the commentators suggests that death in hospitals are down and mainly these people would have died there but wouldn't/couldn't go in because of cover. Its a 5yr high btw.

Although they then jump from fact to... "It is possible that some of these deaths from dementia were the result of Covid-19 deaths being misclassified, especially during the early part of the pandemic when testing was scarce, an issue we explore further here."

You can't trust any of them to just be objective and not add opinions. Which is what fact checking should be

 

Could you explain what problems we have with elderly homelessness and care homes that are a result of a widespread F you attitude? I'm not aware of elderly homelessness being a signifcant issue and care homes are generally run to high stadards, the media has been rammed with stories about Care workers isolating with their patients to protect them.

 

I'd call being thrown into care homes homelessness. But then I grew up in a 3 generation home. I wouldn't think of my wife's parents as a burden if they needed to live with us due to their old age conditions. So yeah, it is. How many now have extended families living close or in the same home? Started with the tory get on yer bike bloke and hasn't stopped
IMO

 

At the NHS trust where my wife works there was vacancy for a receptionist. It was a 2 year posting. Instead of employing someone on a 2 year contract at the going rate of pay the trust in question used temp staff for the whole 2 years. A shocking waste of money.

 

Part of our reasons to move back from Sweden to the North East was my partners folks. Both late 70s, both had minor cancers, mum has had multiple mini strokes. They are both fiercely independant and we feel its only right to be here for them to take care as much as possible until trained professionals are really required.

I have barely worked since coming back, but have been offered maybe a dozen very well paid jobs if we were prepared to leave the North East. We chose the olds and will stick with it until its beyond our capabilities. Thats what family is supposed to be about aint it?

 

So sorry to hear this, deepest condolences to @NOODS X and his family.

 

The whole world has been shut down because if the virus had "let rip" no western country could have coped with the numbers of dead people.

 

Ebola kills the population so fast it stops the spread itself to a great degree. Very different type of problem.

 

I think the delays are due to these patients being very vunerable to death from CV19, and the hospitals are a breeding ground.

 

All of 56 years old if I remember correctly. My deepest sympathy. If this doesn't make it real I don't know what does. I won't post on this thread after this.

 

I wasn't really asking those questions. I wanted the deniers to explain it to me. Of course there was nothing coming because you can't explain it when you deny the dangers of this virus.

 

Test & Trace is not run by the NHS.

 

Yes, that was my point.

Test and trace being a good example of why private is not necessarily better.

 

It wouldn’t have worked regardless unless privacy laws got changed. And even then there’s just too much scope to exploit loop holes with it mate

 

Delaying the spread ensures (hopefully) that there is enough staff, beds and equipment to hospitalise everyone who needs it and subsequently 70% leave hospital -albeit often with severe complications as a result of CV19. If larger proportions of the public get CV19 simultaneously the first wave severely infected will fill the beds and most who follow in a similar condition will die rather just 30%.

As there is not anything like enough lifesupport equipment -or staff to man it- available for the Nightingale hospitals you have to question the publics perception of their purpose. Personally I think they were a PR exercise to reassure people beds were available. However in the event of a massive rise in infections, they will be a holding area where people are taken to die as humanely as is possible.

 

That’s true.

It’s a shameful waste of money that could have been better used.