So If A Covid Vaccine Were Released Tomorrow..

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by duke63, Oct 21, 2020.

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  1. Straight away

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  2. Give it at least six months

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    39.3%
  3. Never

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    31.5%
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  1. I plan to do the work, but not enough time to get it done before Thursday. It's more about not being able to get tested and no further exemptions.
    Will mean that the mrs cant get to work until things open up again.
     
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  2. The car designer?
     
  3. Some good news for me atleast.
    Looks like many of the gyms are considering making another stand as they did a few weeks ago.

    Obviously all this still has to go through Parliament although I don’t think they’ll have much resistance. But the gov did literally say the other week how important gyms are.

    lets see
     
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  4. Raab was speaking on R4 Friday saying how important the Tier system was and how national restrictions were not being considered. Given the announcement yesterday, to me that says the government spouts alot of BS, though it might just mean that Raab is incompetent. The fact remains that these jokers say one thing & the very next day do the reverse.
     
  5. So a few weeks ago we couldn't afford the economic damage that a 2 week circuit break lockdown as advised by SAGE on the 21st of September would do. We couldn't afford to give greater Manchester the money so they could keep peoples wages at 80% but now we can afford a 4 week national lockdown with the furlough scheme extended nationwide for that period. Which is it? It can't both be true.
     
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  6. You forget. They are liars.
    The current set of shysters, grifters, fraudsters and corrupt piles of shite are what you get when populists pretend they have simple common sense answers and get elected on three word slogans. Reality is a lot more complicated than that and they are being found out on a daily basis.

    30 years ago today Geoffrey Howe resigned from Thatcher's cabinet, if you look compare the calibre of politicians on both sides of the house then to the bunch of b listers we've got there now there's barely one of the current lot that might get a junior role under Thatcher or Smith and that is where our problems lie. The people supposed to be making hard decisions on our behalf are not capable of it.
     
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  7. The politicians mirror the society they live among...........
     
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  8. Not just politicians either, managers straight out of uni with no work experience etc etc.
     
  9. There are experienced people in the Tory party who Doris could have appointed.
     
  10. After 10 years in power with 3 different PMs all the decent people have either been sacked from cabinet or resigned. Were left with the dredges. A foreign secretary who was surprised about the importance of the Dover Calais route. A home secretary who was sacked for conducting meetings with foreign powers of her own back while in holiday. Hell a PM who was sacked from various jobs for lying.
    When Ed Miliband was Labour leader I didn't think he was much of a politician or a statesman so I felt he wasn't the right choice for PM. Man, how wrong I was. We have lowered the bar to below the ground.
     
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  11. the most experienced Tories have perfected the art of assucking, Alan is right, nobody these days earns their spurs, you only have to troll through " What jobs have you done " thread !!
     
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  12. maybe you should, just out of curiosity mind, watch the Q&A's after.
    you dont need to look hard. in actual fact just switch on/log in to bbs scot or have a quick scan of any Scottish edition of any uk publication at any time of the day. the welsh FM Drakeford is now starting to see the same treatment. so much so my english wife cancelled the licence fee last month. she can see it for what it is. not once or twice but 100% politicizing and rubbishing of any announcement or measure that more often or not is presented as an attempt to embarrass or undermine the UK Gov. even during a pandemic. it is costing lives. the kind of reporting that motivates a member to pronounce on a public forum that he put you ignore because of how you vote. pfft. exclusions for Gyms, but not for areas with a different view on UK governance. who it seems, more often than not these days agree with what folks have been saying about the priorities of our UK Gov, yet where totally oblivious to it before.
    this is the gig, financial support, or even the powers to deal with it, is denied depending on location in the UK. even the ability to transfer capital spend (infrastructure, not much building going on during lockdown) budgets to resource budgets, ie, procurement to deal with covid. and for one reason only. it exposes the ideology of the present Gov. an ideology they know would be seen as toxic if another way of doing things was seen to be successful within the same islands.
    journalistic integrity my fat hairy ass. this place is a master class on how the owners and their editors work.
     
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  13. Has Boris posted in there?;)
     
  14. BBC and SKY keep going on about the problems with the test and trace app. Rolling out expert after expert to give their opinion.

    Why not get someone on from one of the companies, given millions of tax payers money, to explain why ?
     
  15. Because they won't come on. Nothing in it for them. When was the last time you heard from Dido Harding? Last I saw of her was when she was comprehensively dismantled by the select committee. Test and trace is difficult but we didn't have to do our own. The South Korean system is free ware, offered to any country. Germany took it and made it EU privacy law compliant and offer that for free. It's probably not perfect either but works a damn side better than our world beating one. Who even wants a world beating system? I'd be happy with a virus beating system.
     
  16. Perhaps a petition is on order, to make these people answer questions about what they’ve wasted the money on.
     
  17. By "petition" I assume you mean "firing squad"?
     
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  18. I was being kind, and giving them a chance to explain themselves first. :)

    Now you mention it though.....
     
  19. Germany is "run" by someone that has a doctorate in quantum chemistry and probably thinks much more ahead....our "helmsman" changed the Furlough couple hours before is was due to end. Impulse decision vs medium term planning.
     
  20. I'm not a fan of petitions and God knows I signed and followed a few. You need 10000 signatures for a response and 100000 for it to be considered for debate. Even if selected for debate it doesn't have to be in the main chamber and there is never a vote on it. Usually scheduled last thing on a Friday it rarely gets if the ground as they run out of time. That's the end of the petition.

    I think it's more effective to write to your MP direct. No matter what party. Something like' Track and trace is failing. Why haven't we adopted one of the free working systems from other countries and what are you going to do to stop the government throwing good money after bad and get us a working, virus beating track and trace system'.
    Publish their reply on social media.

    This is just my opinion.
     
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