So If A Covid Vaccine Were Released Tomorrow..

I guess one could argue it enables the numbers flocking through the door to spread out throughout the day (but I bet they don’t) haha

 

Problem is old bean, with the state of the data amongst everything else. I don’t think anyone will ever know.

 

Here's an article in The Guardian this morning highlighting certain issues with the data used, and a section more specifically looking at the projection used by Vallance and Whitty to alarm the public, or outright lie, whichever it is surely serious questions need to be asked of them all?

If we're to sit back and take these guys as the leading scientists we're told they are, and actually believe what they say, then surely acting like a leading scientist is where they should start and ensure what they present is accurate and reflective of the situation? In my opinion they have both been proven to continuously use worse case data and in some instances completely ignore real information and instead choose to substitute their own.

Hardy what we all should expect, hardly what businesses and employees having their lives ruined should expect. As I said before, I personally believe they should step aside now as it's clear honesty isn't something they're concerned with


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ence-behind-englands-second-national-lockdown



How robust is the data?

The data on infections and deaths is by no means perfect, but it was other data that caused most alarm. The advisers presented new modelling from several academic groups on the number of daily deaths England might expect from now until next summer. Many of the groups, such as Imperial College and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, predicted deaths rise to around 2,000 a day by the end of the year. Most striking was modelling from Cambridge University and Public Health England, which suggested 4,000 deaths per day in December. The figure has come under intense scrutiny which has highlighted the provisional nature of many modelling studies.

The Cambridge model differed from the others in important ways. While there are claims that the model looked at deaths 60 days after a positive test rather than the more common 28 days, this is incorrect. There is another reason the model was an outlier. The modelling, performed three weeks ago, used data on coronavirus deaths to infer how rife infections were when the people who died became infected some weeks earlier.

This infection rate, and the consequent deaths, were then projected forwards to February. The approach meant that the model showed how the epidemic six or more weeks ago might look if it continued to rage unabated. This led to a substantial overestimation of daily deaths.

Fed with recent data, the model is far more in line with the others Sage uses, with all estimating roughly 1,000 deaths per day by mid-December if no more is done to contain the virus. The models all point to the number of people in hospital and deaths exceeding those in the first wave without further action.

 

And so the only realistic thing to do is learn to live with it, what possible other conclusion can be drawn?

 

Did you read your link, it suggests SARS is similar to Flu.

 

I’ve always found it interesting that some people are every adamant not to compare Covid with the flu despite the fact that the common cold and influenza are it’s closest relatives.

I also find it somewhat suspicious that if you add together influenza deaths over the last say 5 years with say Pneumonia... it’s creates a pretty damn high statistic

well isn’t that fundamentally what has been done with Covid except they’ve added absolutely bloody everything they can to the Covid stats.

shit show. But I do agree it’s also very hard now to compare them because nothing else gets recorded like Covid does..

for me, the way they measure Covid deaths is like measuring your cock from your arse hole. But much more severe than that. So perhaps it’s like measuring your cock from your cousins arsehole..
Who lives in New Zealand.

well he is related to me right.. so arguably I can make that work

 

The relevant parts being the transmission is the same and the symptoms are very similar.

Again, not questioning how bad it is, just how it should be managed.

 

One would imagine that with covid causing your immune system to overreact (much like the flu) albeit perhaps stronger, it's essentially filling your lungs with liquid...

So it's the pneumonia that's killing people then?

 

Article here which being in The Guardian surprises me but welcome nonetheless

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...and-lockdown-peril-young-people-mental-health

 

And this site is linked through that article specifically where it says 'serious scientists have challenged their figures'

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/

So after the Sage modelling is pulled apart in the above article because of its frankly amateur inaccuracies, if you go to the home page there are some other very good detailed analysis articles, these are evidence based may I add, not bullshit and bluster from the Government or MSN

https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/

 

This is really really worth a watch, if you've not questioned what you've been fed from the Government so far after watching this I'm sure you will do.

Our favourite PowerPoint presenter is back, continuing his change from a once feverishly energetic doom monger to instead being far more measured and really questioning the data the UK population is being fed.

Essentially our 'leading scientists' are almost outright lying, misusing data, changing goalposts and everything else you could possibly do wrong in a career where accuracy is key. And it's these guys leading the calls for the measures imposed, these guys culpable for the 700k job losses so far, and every other death happening in the real world outside of the covid bubble due to the lack of care and focus.

It's not politicians losing jobs and livelihoods, it's not scientists, it's not Drs and it's not news presenters.

It's no wonder Sky have replaced him as the televised front and centre graph presenter with someone else who is prepared to outright play ignorant. I would hope that proves something that we're fed headline grabbing hysteria, not reality.

Anyway, for those with short attention spans, or those unwilling to listen to the realities against what SAGE peddle, skip to 9.50 where he does the 4000 daily death graph from Saturday and overlays actual real data*

*real data still not particularly good as it's based on the 'died WITH covid within 28 days' fallacy

 

Someone obviously benefits from a lockdown.

My money is on Supermarkets, Amazon etc etc.

 

They've learnt to write phone apps though, perhaps that was part of the whole retraining thing.

 

How about the chair of SAGE, Sir Patrick Vallance having £600,000 tied up in GSK one of the leading developers of a supposed vaccine?

Oh and yes, supermarkets definitely, but I need them more than Patrick Vallance

 

I wonder how much additional thought the politicians and scientists would put into lock downs if they went without pay for the duration they're imposed.