Perhaps it could be argued that the likelyhood of death from CV19 to a vunerable person, is far higher than the likelyhood of issues as a result of a CV19 injection? We have the luxury of wondering if we might want a vacination, that might (very unlikely) cause us some issues. The vunerable have the fear of death from going outside based on solid evidence.
Hence I find it so frustrating that the people who want herd immunity, although by means of whittling down the herd and rid it of the old and weak are against the one thing that achieves it.
The flu vaccine is new every year. It different as the flu virus mutates fast. People seem happy enough to have that. Demand is outstripping supply in this country at the moment and yet, that is also a brand new vaccine.
In case anyone is wondering about having this, or nervous as its a new vaccine, relax. I've already had mine and I'm no more crazy now than I was before!
Exactly, it a new strain of virus that requires a new vaccine. Vaccines aren't differing compounds of chemicals like other drugs. They are weakened live virus, dead virus or parts of virus usually suspended in fluid so they can get administered. Unless you suffer a extremely rare side effect to the fluid you can only suffer from whatever the virus in the vaccine. In fact vaccination relies on your body being infected so it produces antibodies. Some people, like me, seem to always get flu symptoms after the vaccine but they are quite mild.
Well my parents are old and therefore vulnerable I suppose. But they couldn’t give a flying fuck. They pay no attention at all to Covid ‘rules’ Must be where I get it from
Because if you get it wrong you give a person the actual illness you want to protect them from or they don't work. Most viruses we don't have a vaccine for. Either it's not necessary as the illness is mild or not worth it. Some we simply haven't found a way, like HIV. Anyway, the sheer number of people getting and dying from covid 19 makes it so lucrative and therefore everybody wants to find the vaccine. This is a bit cynical as I truly believe most people involved in pharmaceuticals are very proud to be doing a job that helps people. Be it the accountants or managers or the actual scientists. Certainly the scientists are my wife's biggest pains in the bum as they don't give a shit about the cost of anything if it advances their science. She on the other side, although having a PhD in microbiological chemistry has to be more concerned about the cost. However, believe me when I say that during this pandemic she has worked her arse of to make sure this, and other countries don't run out of drugs. In particular drugs that help maintain your respiratory system and anesthetics as so many people are now being kept under for days and weeks on ventilators. When you know that most drugs are produced in India and China and are being transported as freight on passenger planes then you might be able to see the difficulty in maintaing supply lines when those 2 countries were under a strict lockdown and there aren't any planes flying anywhere. Changing supplier is not a option as a new supplier has to undergo extremely stringent tests before they can be approved. This applies even if a supplier is producing a certain compound already for another company. It takes 3 years to change supplier even for stuff like paracetamol. Her company have thrown everything including the kitchen sink at the problem and maintained a good supply of all kinds of drugs where they were needed, regardless of cost. They have also stopped development work on most vaccines other than covid 19 for the time being. To give you a sense of scale. Their vaccine department is 6000 people. They also joined forces with another global pharma company and share data and avoid testing the same thing again and again. One of the issues is having enough virus to test on and then produce a vaccine in bulk. They are now harvesting Virus in Brazil as we didn't have enough in Europe over the summer. That's changing now again of course. There is a monumental effort on the way by some extremely clever people to find a solution to this pandemic and save lives. The least we can do is have the courtesy and give them the time needed and do what little we can to minimise the problem. As much as I disagree with some of you on here about this subject I would rather we're all still here next year and argue about something else.
I think it’s good to discuss these things, and hear different opinions. I don’t doubt the commitment of the scientists etc to do what they can, as best they can. You yourself are saying about how long and hard a process a vaccine is though, and there’s also the possibility one will not be found for covid.
Absolutely that is a possibility. I see it a bit like times of war for the pharma industry. Things move forward at a accelerated pace. It's less than a year that anybody had ever heard of this virus. Probably it didn't even exist a year ago ( unless you subscribe to some conspiracy ) and positive signs are being talked about and various vaccines are cleared for human trials. There is a good chance we will have something that works soon. At what scale it can be produced is the next hurdle to overcome. But, you are right. There are no guarantees.
Is there a vaccine for Ebola and has that been distributed all across Africa where it was/is prevalent? Don’t more people die than survive from that?
Sorry I didn’t make more effort with this but I’m busy https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3757 if you google it. It’s pretty readily available to view I am still very dubious re vaccine. Firstly as I can’t see how we can possibly need it across the board with the survival rate being so very high. secondly it’s closely related to the common cold and indeed influenza. the flu vaccine isnt even 50% effective from what I’ve seen. And there’s never been a cold vaccine. Weve been looking for what 50 years ? sars 1 = no vaccine. I just can’t see it
No vaccine for that. Ebola is not airborne and not as infectious as covid 19 so strict social distancing will stop a outbreak and that by default makes it easier to contain. It kills about 80 percent of infected people. I don't know if we can't make a vaccine I guess a few 1000 dead people in poor African countries aren't worth pursuing a vaccine. Africa had probably more deaths from completely preventable illnesses like tetanus than Ebola. Harsh but true.
So read read it briefly. No law has been changed or made yet to allow use of a unlicensed drug. It seems to emphasise the possible change of a law to use a as yet unlicenced but not untested vaccine. If that goes through parliament we can have a whole new discussion about that.
