Its a pain, but to some extent we are all tyre kickers mulling over the ifs and buts. Until I see cash i never assume real interest.
I will be selling my VW Campervan before Easter (again don't really need to but the kids have grown and judt don't use it enough) . I'm dreading having to plough through these "Low price chancers" that are bound to come up... Might as well play it for laughs and just say firmly "I need a very near offer and only after viewing please - blind offers will be laughed at!"
If you use eBay just put in an automatic amount below which you won't accept or consider an offer. You could even add that you only bids on "make an offer" and only through ebay. I did that with some idiot who kept sending messages about an item that I hadn't yet re-listed but had just finished.. I find it keeps most of the "chancers" at bay and also stops you getting your hopes up when the phone rings with an unknown number.
What is it with buyers remorse? I always get it to some extent, and pretty bad if it's a big ticket purchase. Wouldn't dream of backing out of an agreed deal though. The problem is that peoples ideas of how to do business has changed. You see it from time to time in discussion forum where people actually argue that the deal is not done until money has changed hand, and that is 100% fine to change your mind for no reason even if you have agreed on a deal. Even if it will cost the other party. A lot of the time the preferred method of backing out seems to make up some silly excuse, rather then explaining to the buyer/seller that you've simply changed you mind. This is a trend that permeates our entire society; honesty and standing up for your word are two of many things that doesn't seem to matter much any more. Instead push everything to the limit, see what you can get away seems a more popular way of conducting your business/life.
Dont sell the camper. I have one too. Get it valued and stick to it. Sell it via the VW forum for most exposure.
I agree, but society is more cosmopolitan now and those from different backgrounds see things differently, times change and not always for the better. Throw in a bit of "newish" technology like emails, texts and even the mobile phone, with all these you don't have to face people you can do it totally anonymously and with less or no comeback. Sadly that's how a lot of people choose to act. To some their word is not their bond and they really just don't care what or how others might think of them and it appears it's on the increase. The answer would seem to be to deal with these people in a different way. If someone wants something badly enough they will make the effort or they won't get it. Maybe the answer is to treat everyone as a non potential buyer until they do actually appear and hand over the cash. You only have to look at the number of eBay items relisted due to non payers to realise it's a common situation.
Fred Im with you on that ! If I commit - I commit. I have bought vehicles on auction without being able to view before ( they are miles away) and assuured the nervous seller that; a) I will turn up ready to buy and b) I will pay the price I bid for it .... unless it is SUBSTANTIALLY different from what was described - ie the engine has an oil leak , it won't start or the "immaculate paintwork" has three deep gouges and rust. How some people live with themselves when they go back on deals I don't know. I still feel guilty that I arranged to view a car in 1989 and I just never turned up! *blush*
It depends on if you have a conscience or not. If you ever get involved with scammers trying to rip your off you will be surprised how little conscience they have, if any. I won't go into details but I have tested a couple of suspicious characters before and it surprised me how ruthless they were, they just wanted money and I just wanted to make sure it wasn't mine!! There are lot less "old school" people around now.
I've bought stuff I've changed my mind on but, because committed, I paid and sold again. Its a matter of integrity
There seems to be a growing trend of "£xxx deposit payable within 24 hours of auction end" messages appearing on Ebay now. I can't blame the sellers with so many no-showers and chancers turning up to offer a lot less than they bid for. Trouble is - if I'm bidding on something too far away to view first there is no way I would part with cash before I have seen the bike and met the buyer. I normally contact them before auction end and say that I will do better than that - I will pay the full amount within three days when I pick up - that usually satisfies them. One chap wanted a blind 10% deposit paid immeadiatly on auction end which equated to £600...I have also seen the deposit line used on straight classified ads...??? When I see them I remember the "immaculate" Triumph TT600 I saw once that , not only had paint gauges on one side ( not shown on the photographs) but a major oil leak from an engine seal. I would have been up the creek had I already paid a deposit on that...
Today I phoned up a guy who was interested in my Triton on ebay.Lots of what you might call 'tyre kicking,that can't be right sort of questions'.This was followed by 'how much for cash'.I gave him a price-don't think he will be back. I am coming round to thinking that I will remove it from sale and keep it.
We must be related Phil, I have a long lost uncle in Nigeria who's left me a lot of money in his will. All I have to do is give my bank details to one of his friends and he'll pay it in for me.
I'm losing a bit of heart with eBay at present. It's just seeming to be full of traders selling the same stuff as my local shop, and at the same price. Yes, it's convenient, I can order and pay without getting off the sofa, and it arrives usually soon after. But I thought it was a auction site, where private people buy and sell. The umber of items auctioned off now seems a tiny proportion compared to classified ads. I know that's what people want, and the website has moved with the times. It's probably just me that hasn't!
Very true . I think there is nothing wrong with the auction format - if everybody played by the rules. The trouble is there are too many "buyers" out there who take advantage, win an auction with no intention of paying the price they bid and then come round and offer you 50% of what was "agreed" knowing full well you are stuck because all the other honest bidders have moved on leaving you with this chancer to deal with. The only alternative is to auction it again and wait another week before you get a buyer...who is more than likely to reveal himself as another "cheat" Dishonest buyers actually target auctions over classified ads since they reckon that the seller must be a bit naive and easily manipulated into giving his pride and joy away. I will NEVER use the auction format again. If you notice no traders use them. If you take a little trouble establishing a fair price to ask you can always make it clear that you will consider a VERY near offer in the ad... and give your mobile number! DON'T EVER use any "make offer" buttons - you run the risk of showing yourself up as a naive buyer again. Chancers and villains will make an offer they have no intention of honouring - only to come round and tyre kick the price down. Encourage all potential buyers to speak to you on the phone and only make an offer when they view the bike - this weeds out the chancers and makes sure only committed buyers turn up. Classified ads run for 28 days - and never close until you close them yourself when the bikes sold - a chancer cannot trap you because he is now only one buyer among several - if he doesn't cough up - the next buyers probably will.. Unlike auctions all the power lies with the seller! Chancers and villains will only come if they have beaten you down in price a whole whack first...if they sense that you are firm in your convictions they won't risk the journey as they only want to pay nuppence for your bike after all.
Following on from the post above,as my health seems to be improving,touch wood,over the last week,I am quite likely to pull the ad and keep the bike.I have lots of Triton goodies in store which I can use to modify my bike and hopefully have a bit of fun with it.
"DON'T EVER use any "make offer" buttons - not only do Ebay then take a percentage of your offered price (Cheek!) - but you are showing yourself up as a naive buyer again. Chancers and villains will make an offer they have no intention of honouring - only to come round and tyre kick the price down." Is that accurate..? I thought fees were payable buy the seller when sold?
