I had Kais do as much as they could without changing the spring but they did say the rear spring needs to be lighter which will allow more scope for preload adjustment within my weight range. To be honest I still find it all very confusing.
Vince I'm wondering if your rear sag has changed when you swopped from P to F? Since setting the sag is the most fundemental part of the setup, you fiddling about with C & R settings isn't going to acheive anything except further frustration unless this is correct! Btw I now have my new Metzers on the evo, and I'm very nearly there with the suspension setup. Possible meetup this w.e sometime to assist each other with sag setup?
John I did say as much in my previous post that I need to check the sag. Yeah good plan meeting up we can help each other but I will need a C spanner to set up sag and I ain't got one. How are the tyres ? Glad your getting there with your suspension the 848 is an awesome bike IMHO. @PeterT SHUT UP
I am getting to grips with it. It's all about getting the sag set up which isn't that difficult if you find the right tutorial with helpful pictures. Compression and rebound is a doddle on the S Panni as its electronic so a couple of cable ties in the right places set everything at half way mark then measure amount of travel not enough travel = to hard a setting.
I don t mean that the shock will travel 65 % or 65MM. When looking at support /stiffness and comparing the effect if the linkage is : on P , the shock has to travel 65% before being as stiff as the same spring on F .. Once beyond that , the spring with the P setting becomes stiffer .. So P will feel softer initially to get more stiffer later in the travel... than if that spring were on F.
Well the manual does say that P is recommended for two up so in my mind that means you need a lot more weight to get the spring to compress correctly which goes against what you are saying and in my experience I am finding F a lot more forgiving than P
i thought as well that the progressiveness started out at the same level of F , only getting harder over F as it progressed. So that Prog was firmer right away.. In BSB they use F, P and also Degressive.. there are graphs in this in pretty sophisticated setup programs and those graphs show that progressive starts way softer . it s not the spring itself, its how the linkage makes the spring work. that is interesting .. perhaps that harder feel you experience comes just because of that.. if you hit a big bump ( something that impacts, not rolls under you ) , the point you actually feel could be that harder part. if you keep a high compression damping, then the bump is transferred through the linkage, gets through it quit rapidly as it is initially softer , only to hit the stiffening bit harder... what is what you feel... and as the F resists better, you don't get to that harder bit... mind, i am just thinking aloud here...
Vince I have an Ohlins C spanner suitable for my Ohlins shock, not sure if it will fit your Pani. Is the diameter of the lock rings on the Pani roughly the same as your evo's? I haven't done enough milage to evaluate the tyres yet, feel o.k so far but not fully scrubbed in yet.
It's painstaking trial and error trying to set the suspension up on a Panigale with electronic adjustment. I generally ride the same roads so have had consistancey whilst trying to set it up. I've spent ages tweaking it but I'm still not really happy with it. I've never touched the suspension set up on my 1098S since buying it and find it great with the standard settings so I can't understand why the Panigale is so difficult to perfect.
Interesting thread, will keep an eye on it myself as well. I havn't touched my 1199s suspension. I became pretty good at doing the track/drift car suspension as I was always playing catch up to the more powerful cars and needed a way to try and get some edge, but havn't ventured into it on the bikes yet as figured I needed to get better at riding first. Dave Mackay made a good point at Donnington in that it's going to save me cash on tyres so I do need to start working on all that stuff now. I seem to run out of travel when braking hard and the back end is up in the air doing a waggy dog impression but other than that everything seems perfect for me so I'm hesitant to start messing as I know it'll be months of trial and error.
The bike is very stiff as it comes with many saying this is a feature of the frame structure. They do seem to have improved it with the 1299 though and the 899 doesn't feel that way so not quite sure why the 1199 cannot be improved on easily.
Try sawing through parts of the frame? That's the cheapest way (in the short term) you can reduce stiffness in the 1199 frame. I am not advocating this, by the way The suspension can be tweaked any way you like but if the frame is too stiff (a problem apparently shared with the MotoGP bike of a couple seasons ago or so) your only option is an (expensively) modded frame. Or a 1299, of course.
My 899 was fine out of the box, I didnt think the 1199 would be much different but am so wrong, I have had my 848 Evo set up but to be fair it was pretty good stock. I think on the 1199 because of where the spring is situated it is harder to compress where as the 1098 and 848 bears the weight a lot more I think. plus the 1199 rear spring does not seem to have much scope for travel so could possibly bottom out before getting enough travel out of it to make for a comfy ride. Its definitely a lot more track focused.
Rose Autos behind Crawley Municipal Dump sell a nice selection of C Spanners. I have a basic one if you want to borrow it.
The SSSA is stiff as no other, which puts it all on the spring.. That is why the way to go at the track is to go for a stiffer spring and remain low on compression damping Avoiding getting thrown off may be achieved just by upping the rebound . So the bike comes bach up more gently after having absorbed the bump in its compression stage...
Avoiding getting thrown off may be achieved just by upping the rebound . So the bike comes bach up more gently after having absorbed the bump in its compression stage...[/QUOTE] Still learning about all this Kope , so your advice is much appreciated. I understand your reasoning regarding adding more rebound, but surely that might work for the first 'bump' but when the wheel hits a second 'bump' before the shock has had a chance to extend this is going to cause 'packing down'?
