Yep, feels like it as well. Don't get me wrong, the S1000R I rode was fast, but didn't have as much instant lunacy as the Multistrada.
BMW 1000 thingy is not really the bike to compare, it is the New one just ridden S1000XR, that is the one I am interested into compare
Yep I know that, but nobody has an XR to ride. They are the same engine, same power settings, and probably same gearing. So from an engine perspective it's like for like, hence my post .
I looked at the XR at the NEC show and compared to the Multi it seemed poorly finished. I thought they might sort out that bolt on steering damper which sticks out under the odd (and not in a good way) headlamps and also didn't like the cheap looking rear subframe that's clearly on show. I've heard people say that BMW isn't what it used to be in terms of quality and finish, maybe they're right. Contrast that to Ducati's attention to deal and there's no contest. The S1000R motor with that quickshifter is brilliant fun though and sounds great, even with the stock pipe. But it is a different beast. My plan to wait for a test ride on the XR was scuppered when I rode the new Multi. Deposit paid, should have it in a few weeks. Can't wait!
No not sure they are the same at all. Max. torque 112 Nm at 9,250 rpm. Not that I would want the Torque to be all up that end of the rev range, I want max torque around 5 / 6k
Here's the numbers (in old style measurements!): BMW S1000R 83 lb-ft at 9250rpm BMW S1000XR 83 lb-ft at 9250rpm Ducati DVT 100 lb-ft at 7500rpm So if you want to see what the S1000XR engine is like, ride the S1000R as it's the same. Personally, I much prefer my torque lower down the rev range - it makes for a far happier and relaxed ride compared to frantically revving the nuts off the thing. And 100 lb-ft is always going to be better than 83 lb-ft wherever it is in the rev range, and the fact that it's at 7500 rather than 9250 is the key to why I plumped for the Ducati over the BMW.
ahh my bad, thought the units were the same, did not look that far I agree I want my torque lower down the range
Been on the 2015 Multi S all day today. Beautiful to ride, comfortable, quick and full of technology. Rode it in Touring and Sport. Quite a bit of difference between the two which was impressive. Pulls like a train from down low and effortless to corner.
Just had 40 odd miles on the Base DVT. Engine is super smooth at low speed/high gear, don't know how they did that? It has lost character though, not giving much until 5k plus, but it is deceptively fast. The gearbox is a transformation from my 2010, feels like they have reduced pedal travel and done the Oberon slave mod all in one go! A lot going on with the controls now and not sure those white buttons won't look crappy after a few months? Like the new dash, but with my failing eyesight, I could only really see the speed and gear indicator? Stock suspension seems to be judged perfectly, so not sure if S is worth the extra? Prefer the old bikes finish, looks and general cockpit area more, but those things grow on you, I guess? Do I want to shell out the necessary for a new number plate and a warranty - not really, but if circumstances meant I had to get rid if mine, I would probably look at base with touring and Bluetooth bits added, nowt else?
Won't be long before BMW beats everything! KTM doing GT very of the super Duke. Collecting my S next sat.
In my mind s1000xr is closest to Multi consept. Ktm adv is more gentlemans touring machine like gs with more powerfull engine but I could not see myself doing same mad speed curvey road riding with Ktm. It looks slower and bigger. like Gs. It does not have that superbike feel and looks.. In ktm I like the twin engine and power, but I really dont like Ktm looks. S1000xr has same power and in red colour looks bit like Multi, but that inline four screaming high is not for me.
Thing is when you have owned any big vee twins or L twins any inline 4 cylinder feels under powered , they may have more peak power but all the torque is near the end of the Rev range so you end up scragging the balls out of them to get the power Vee twins you can just ride off the torque , you don't need to scrag them just change gear and the wave of torque pushes you along , and I would say for the back roads torque is more useful . I own a 1290 super adventure , the torque is nuts , it will pull off from a standstill in 3 rd gear without any dramas ( and no I don't pull off in 3 rd as a habit !) Would like a doo on one of the Dvt ducs though just to see what they are about , I had a 2014 touring s skyhook before the ktm and I just thought the suspension spoiled it ..... to harsh I thought , what's the Dvt suspension like .... is it more plush .
if you look at BMWs car range, they have some grade A cars, but then they have also come out with lots of recent models that are both hideous and cars that no one ever really asked for. It is as if they built it, just because modern tech and reduced cost of modular volume manufacturing said they could. At what point did they stop and ask what the buyer would really want of this type of vehicle? The same of the S1000XR methinks. The S1000 screaming IL4 is the last kind of engine you'd want in a long legged touring/adventure bike. Here, torque and the ability to either accelerate hard out of tight situations, or make rapid progress in comfort whilst lugging luggage is paramount... without bouncing off the rev limiter. The GS has this nature, hence its success, as does the Multi. The S1000XR reminds me of the V10 engined M5 which was an executive saloon with a mismatched banshee wailing engine instead of the torque rich muscle of the previous V8 M5 Godfather of saloons.
Was it this one? I thought it looked ok but didn't like the look of the oil cooler and radiator position a few back roads or stray off the beaten track and that thing is guna suffer.
