I thought it would have been one place back on race completion. Don't quite see how they figured that pedders was 2nd.
i think I must have watched something else. It was a debacle, if they want aggressive racing for the duration just make it 12laps anyway. There were moments, first couple laps, last couple laps but otherwise the same as most this year,
Disagree Brads , having two halves with bike change in the middle certainly made it interesting , it may have been a shorter race but it brought strategy into play, plus fitness , did you see Lorenzo and Marquez changing bikes , ah the suppleness of youth, then you had the old man Rossi , Christ I've got ten years on him and I could have got on his bike quicker . strategy should come into play IMHO , pit stops and multiple tyre manufacturers , provided any rider can choose any same spec tyre.
Ive gotta be honest and say I think Dorna have somehow completely fluked an answer to the boring spectacle that is Motogp. up until this weekend I really couldn't see anything change the sport drastic enough to level the playing field like in Moto2...... Unless you change to Moto2 (same engine etc) the problem with the GP is that the boys are simply so perfect, any slight advantage in terms of power/braking/corner ability etc and it's just off they go in to the distance with very little to bring them together to race. At this moment it's all Honda and Yamaha only just keeping in touch. If I wanted to just watch a Honda lapping at full chat lap after lap then I may as well just watch testing. Marquez for instance, he comes from a moto2 upbringing and so may 'race' in the manner we see as more exciting, problem with that is unless every new Moto2 rider gets equal machinery when moving up to GP then they're very unlikely to be in the same space of track to be able to put passes on MM in the same manner. Example, Redding gets a customer bike and so do we really think he'll be battling anywhere above 6th or 7th with the machinery he's got? Unlikely. IF you gave Rabat, Espagro, Redding, Luthi etc a Repsol Honda when they graduated then I'd have to say I'd bet money they'd be at the sharp end along with MM without too much trouble. Therefore we'd get the racing we like. so, as we all want to keep GP multiple manufacturers and not the Moto2 model then it's needs levelling, it needs other variables to come in to play. i think this weekend has highlighted something very special , and that is uncertainty makes things interesting. if Motogp has multiple bike manufacturers then I see no reason what so ever that you shouldn't add to that multiple tyre manufacturers. I think lengthen the races by a couple of laps and make the pit stops mandatory, at least 1 per race. the strategy element will add excitement ten fold. Just think, you could head out on one bike with a certain fuel load, with a particular map, running one type of tyre. And if that wasn't getting you where you needed to be you could switch things up completely. you could have riders of all levels put back out on track at different intervals and therefore create more passing and more importantly more uncertainty. for me its the only winning formula UNLESS you level out every bike thus making them all the same........
How anyone can find this level of riding and racing boring us a bit of a mistery to me .. Qp2 are thillers and seeing JL ride betond his ever best chased by a MM always over limits we just thought impossible i can watch all day long .. Where in F1 strat may add as rhere is nothing else , in motogp they have to change bikes which are never the same . And breaking up concentration is just ludicrous .. And ouright dangerous
Here's how I see it , stop strategies may be dangerous, but hoe hum, I say they should suck it up and see. I know some of the riders will say it's more dangerous ,we didn't sign up for this (well the top boys will) , I also say " you're gladiators in your chosen sport you are admired and worshiped by us lesser riders, you're paid to risk your lives , hell I'd do it if I could " . Seriously don't give me this safety bollocks issue , compared to road racers these guys aren't in the same league for bravery , Hutchy, McGuiness , Guy Martin and the impressive Josh Brookes would snap your hand off for a chance to compete in motogp if it were more like that. What do you all reckon then.
I watched Senna the other night, now THAT was an exciting time in F1. But also incredibly dangerous so.... Lets go back to no electronics, remove the airbags, hell make things heavier and far more dangerous and watch what happens then. Bet thats exciting too .
Given what Lorenzo put himself through to race at Assen, I reckon you're talking nonsense. If the TT boys were good enough to do GPs they'd have got there and stayed. McGuinness' GP career amounts to a couple of points at Donington wildcards (?) Has everyone forgotten how regularly the 500s used to jettison their pilots? FWIW Jerry Burgess - a man who should know - said they were running traction control on the NSR 500 so I imagine other bikes were too.
Hmmm, are Ducati expanding the 848 challenge and running on a mixed grid with the Motogp boys? Ducati TriOptions International (but mainly Spain) 1000 Challenge?
Yep Lorenzo and others do ride injured ,that's a given but they don't ride injured at 150 mph plus, inches from lampposts, granite walls and the like .
Apples and pears. Very few great road racers make it on the tracks either. When did McGuiness or Hutchy or Jenkin or Dunlop or Martin do somethung special on track? Think Brookes showed the level difference when he went there, first year and smashed new comers records. TT and road racing is done by nutters who cant/struggle to make a living on track, and those that can stick to track!
ill go with that but the weight limits and power output need to be linked so that bigger riders end up with the same power to weight ratio as smaller guys. i still fancy a pit stop though, I don't see anything wrong with it, if they can't concentrate then maybe they need to learn and adapt. end of the day the GP may have the most 'perfect' riders in the world but they damn sure don't make it entertaining enough, I mean take BSB as the comparative , multiple manufacturers and quite simply the best racing you can get on 2 wheels. maybe it's just down to the riders mind sets
