VW have put aside billions in preparation for claims from this apparently. Do they realise the shit this is going to cause I've just stopped receiving PPI claim shit from wanky claims companies will now be recording texts and messages and day time TV adverts will now be full of shit about it etc etc. Bastards. Oh and who in their right mind believes these figures?
Well VW themselves have admitted today that the total amount of cars worldwide with the software on is... 11 million! Fuck!
A friend of mine runs a fleet of VW commercaials. He's been banging on about this 'Blue Motion' stuff for ages. I know the commercials aren't affected, but it makes me wonder.
Good point. Whenever some kind of standard is imposed and a test is specified, the objective is to pass the test by meeting whatever the set standard is under the given test conditions. It might be exhaust emissions of a vehicle or some other characteristic (e.g. noise, fuel consumption), or it might be an MOT test, or a driving test, or a professional or academic test, or the test you are subjected to every time you drive past a Gatso. VAG (and every other manufacturer of anything in the world) has to devise ways of getting through whatever tests their products are subjected to. How can they be blamed for doing exactly that? If the testing regime for some product (whether diesel cars in USA, or anything else anywhere) turns out to be inadequate, then it should be revised, tightened, expanded, or somehow modified so that the test becomes fit for purpose and actually catches whatever it is supposed to prevent. It seems to me the egg should be on the faces of the people who devised the test regime which proved inadequate , not on the face of VAG for contriving ingenious ways of meeting that regime.
you are aware that it's a (secret?)sub program that can detect it's being tested therefore adjust engine management parameters? i would call that fraud. .
Exactly. It's less, getting through the test and more blatant sneakery. It's like setting the microwave timer to go off when your fire alarms being tested.
It is similar to the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance, one is within the rules and the other isn't. Do the Americans have Federal laws to cover this sort of thing ? Maybe it comes down to motive ? Deliberately circumventing rather than passing tests ? The lawyers will love this kind of thing Any ECU looks at a range of external variables to constantly adjust engine management parameters, test conditions are just another set of variables.
Good or bad ? The "green" agenda was hijacked for marketing and commercial benefit a long time ago IMHO.
Doesn't matter what you call it. When London charge an extra £20 a day for every vehicle that doesn't meet emissions regulations, the customers in London will be fuming (excuse the pun). Trade in value on these models has already plummeted too.
over thirty years in the trade, 8years diagnostic with fiat never once heard of a car going in to lie through their teeth mode. :Hilarious::smile:
Officer, it's a VW and they're figures are drastically optimistic. That's why you think I was speeding and I don't.
VW doesn't say what the emissions are other than when it is subjected to the standard test it passes, in what way is this lying ? Emissions will naturally, and presumably widely, vary across a whole range of conditions, loads etc, that is why standard tests are performed, which it passes.
£4'700'000'000. Four thousand seven hundred million pounds. Count 'em. This is corporatism at work: 1. The money is set aside because they know they are guilty and are likely going to have to pay up. 2. They actually have £4.7 bn to set aside. Amazing! Companies these days have the sort of cash that entire governments don't have.
Well, you seem to be a lot more generous than the VW management themselves. From the BBC News website: "VW chief executive Martin Winterkorn issued a fresh apology for the test-rigging, saying he was "endlessly sorry" for the "manipulation". "Earlier, the boss of Volkswagen's US business, Michael Horn, admitted the firm "totally screwed up". It's not like revising the right things in an exam. It's like copying from your neighbour, or finding out the answers beforehand, or writing down stuff in the palm of your hand. It's simple cheating. As for the £4.7 bn provision, that may be small potatoes: "The EPA said that the fine for each vehicle that did not comply with federal clean air rules would be up to $37,500 (£24,000). With 482,000 cars sold since 2008 involved in the allegations, it means the fines could reach $18bn." It's also already cost £10 bn in value being wiped off the shares - down over 35% in 2 days... Someone won't be getting their bonus this year...
you will need to ask the lawyers jv. but going by what i heard from the expert on the radio yesterday it aint looking good. see you beat me to it glid
