yeah I get it dude. I can’t see the majority of trackday riders riding the tits off it like that. however if that is 1500 warrantied... then it’s not so bad, although I doubt it. BMW warrant the hp4 race to the mileage ! And beyond if refreshed. My next race bike will likely be a gixxer purely because the dealer warrant race bikes
Hold on a minute, are you saying the v4r doesn’t have a 24month warranty? Don’t think you are correct. Pretty sure mine has a 24 month warranty as per all new Ducati. I know you can’t extend it as I tried to on mine!
v4r 24 months warranty, its on the data sheet https://www.ducati.com/gb/en/bikes/panigale/panigale-v4-r Warranty Warranty (months) 24 months unlimited mileage Maintenance (km/months) 12,000 km (7,500 mi) / 12 months Valve clearance adjustment (km) 24,000 km (15,000 mi)
Makes you wonder. Buy and run as track bike, ride as it should be, does it need a rebuild at 1500 miles or not?! Conflicting info here
I was told I had been over revving my Aprilia even though it has a rev limiter! The service intervals were halved for track use on my model and the parts needing replacement at certain intervals was ridiculous.
I think I read that Triumph are pissed off with Moto2 boys. Over zealous downshifting is killing the engines, sending them waaaay over their stipulated rev ceilings.
As you know there is a big difference between rebuild and refresh, I had my 899 engine refreshed and that was a full strip down and all parts checked and anything out of tolerance was replaced total cost was £1500 with no main parts needing replacing, bit Russian roulette really as to what will need replacing, I will run mine for 3/5 years before I refresh again. All this v4 rebuild talk makes the new v2 even more of a bargain.
@bradders I believe the SL engine variants (SL1&2 and the Panigale R's) are very similar to standard 11/ 1299's. The only difference being that the big end service was at 7500 miles whereby all the other Pani's are at 15K.
Except it's not correct. The 765 engines are lasting better and longer than the Honda engine before it. Not sure if they made it through the whole season, but at one point they had had zero blow ups. Racers will always push the envelope, especially when they are not paying for the repairs.. As to the V4. There is a world of difference between doing a few track days in the year and actually racing the bike. In this day and age when the ECU is recording data all the time, it's fairly easy to download data saying how the bike is being used. Some cars are sending that data to the manufacturer all the time.
its going to happen though! I had a sneaking suspicion triumph would have reliability issues. They’re bloody awful in supersport!
This isn’t just an expensive road bike, built to satisfy rich customers wanting more exclusivity. It’s a homologation special. Designed to satisfy Superbike rules and allow more exotic parts to be used in race bikes. You can’t expect it to be as useable and cheap to run as a road bike. It’s simply isn’t one. They will sell you it as a road bike sure, but if you want to use it as nature intended and take that engine to it’s insanely high 16500rpm limit then you will pay the price. If you look at the engine specs next to the V4 1100 you can see it’s fairly obvious- if you want longevity - go for the bigger capacity bike. https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesoci...r-how-does-it-make-218bhp-and-rev-to-16500rpm
Sorry, I dont buy that. The Panigale R is OK, thats a proper special too, so was the 1098R. At least in teh same comparison context (ie same changes permitted for WSBK). May be its just that, for this bike, they expect more to be raced and have provided a race service schedule and published it, which it wasn't for other bikes. So we may be being a bit harsh...but there does seem some misunderstanding in both warranty terms and also if track miles is the same as race miles, and also Andy introduced the V4S being the same so does that warranty expire if not service (and is a track bike) at 1500 miles?!
I think I recall that Ducati didn’t honour the warranty if the bike was used on track previously but some dealer relationships propped it up? my dealer certainly knew I tracked the panigales I had but it was a wink wink nudge nudge situation
I quote from my Owner's Manual "Attention This scheduled maintenance chart is designed for a road use of the Panigale V4. If it is used on the track, even if not during sport competitions, all parts of the motorcycle are more stressed so the routine maintenance operations must be carried out more frequently than indicated. Please contact a Ducati Dealer or authorised Service Centre where you can receive customised service advice according to the sport use you make of your Panigale V4". The dealer will have a technical note with a recommended schedule, in my case for a V4S, which will be similar to the page for the V4R posted earlier. In my case, I am very unlikely to do 1500 track miles in a year so it will get serviced on time and have done what, in my case, Wilf says needs doing. Andy
Consider the Rev limits on the 1098R and the Panigale R - they were already reaching the limits of the V Twin design - yet they were still much lower Rev limits with a larger capacity to reach the required power. And if used hard on the track they would still require more regular servicing. No matter how special they are, they still aren’t reaching the levels of internal stress the V4R engine is. Technology moves on and in this case these engines are stepping into the limits of what’s currently possible on a ‘road bike’. Beyond that if manufacturers could build an engine that would produce that kind of power and remain reliable they would - but reliability is sacrificed in the name of performance all of the time in racing and this is no different.
BMW manage it and warrant no problem, 205hp rewhp which is more than a V4R. So do Honda, Aprillia, Yamaha, Kawasaki. BTW a 1098R with 200HP I would suggest is under higher stress. Probably why they love a near gearbox every thousand miles Sounds like, from Andy's quote, anyone with a V4 using it on track does so and sacrifices their warranty unless they have a full rebuild every 1500 miles. Ouch. @Mary Hinge those pockets will need to be even deeper LOL
So far it’s as clear as mud. I’ll ask @nelly for clarification. But no question, if you’re running a track toy with ~200rwhp there will be a premium to pay by way of maintenance.
