1299 Want To Go From 1098r To 1199/1299 But Worried Re Handling. Peeps Experiences?

comesunt · May 26, 2015

Good reviews guys.
So the general consensus is that the 1199 is a vast improvement as a track only tool over the 1*98??

Dubs · Jun 4, 2015

mattb said: ↑

Hi All

Newish member but long time admirer of Ducs with 2 x 1098's under my belt to date

I have gone back a few pages on the forum before posting this question, but cant see anything. Forgive me if this is an old and boring one that has been done to death back in the day when the 1199 was a new model.
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Im gonna hijack your thread a little. ompus:

Didnt wanna add another thread which was similar.

I am in the same boat, I have a very fresh 2008 1098s ( ex UK bike with v low mls ) and was thinking of an 1199. I am thinking of moving on the 1098 to buy and 1199. But unsure what to do myself as the bike i have right now is perfect.

royalwithcream said: ↑

Some of the negative things that are said about the 1199 in the press just dont add based on my experience of the 1199s. I think in part they come from the bike needing more time to get used to it.

Too stiff? - I can tell you a little dit that might explain where this comes from. The bike doesn't really work as well in the softer rain or sport modes and you have to take it by the scruff a bit; it's a race bike after all. I almost always ride in race mode with the stiffer settings for this reason (If it's raining really bad then I go down to sport mode which is sufficient). When it's rode fairly hard everything works like a dream, no dramas. At the Isle of Man TT course last year I got onto the middle part of the course (I think its the sections before and after Quarry Bends?) through the trees which is very bumpy and I honestly felt like I had broken something or got a puncture. I pulled over and there was nothing wrong that I could see so I carried on at a slower pace until I got into the towns and up onto the mountain and everything was great again. Next time around at that section it did it again and I realised it was probably suspension related so switched down to Sport mode and gave it beans. It soaked all the bumps up no problem and felt good again. After the section I switched back to race mode and went on my merry way around the town and mountain. So the point being if you are on a standard 1199 and the suspension is set up for its optimum stiffness similar to race mode on the S then it's a friggin nightmare on a very bumpy road!! In nearly twelve months and 5000 miles on Panigales I've honestly not experienced the problem anywhere else other than that section of the IOM but perhaps the people who review the bikes on the roads have their favourite bumpy road to test these things?? I wonder if the new suspension on the 1299 would help with this or if the event driven nature would not pay attention???

The feel from the bike is stunning and the flexibility to do whatever you want with the chassis makes my old R1 feel another ten years older and 50kg heavier than it is, that said it is very sensitive to inputs and takes a few hours for it to feel natural. One big difference between the Panigale and the R1 and perhaps the 1x98 that I've not ridden properly, but certainly the 749 I went out on, is that you can turn deep into corners on the brakes. My R1 will not turn at all until you've released the brakes and the 749 felt very similar.
The Panigale is not as confidence inducing as say the Fireblade or Daytona 675 as you can always feel the massive grunt of the engine is there ready to do it's thing. Also it's very sensitive to riding position so not so stable in the corners; I found that it took me a fair bit of time to work out how best to ride it because it's so narrow and there's loads of space to move around so to start with I was getting myself into some odd positions that didn't really work. Other bikes I've been on have been wider and only really had one obvious position with your legs around the tank or hooked off of it in the corners whereas the Panigale takes a bit more time to suss out what works best. I experimented a bit last year with not moving off the bike so much in the corners after some instructors had commented on trackdayriders forum about the bike being able to lean as much as necessary anyhow ( I didn't agree but always like to try and see what people are getting at), but it didn't work for me at all and I had a couple of 'moments'. I went back to my gangly monkey hanging off and was immediately able to make the bike do what I wanted.

Some long rambling there but I hope it is useful!
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Great read !

What you say about reviews is right somewhat. The pani is all new so obviuosly it needs to be ridden a little differently (?) as it doesnt really have a frame , so it will behave differently, or more so have different characteristics compared to a conventional sportsbike with a frame. I dunno, Im no expert but that's why I can surmise.

I myself aint really into the "s" with the elec suspension, Id rather a conventional setup to be honest, but thats just me.

tks for taking the time out to write that.

STEVENSON-KAATSCH said: ↑

What fascinating reading. I speak as one with far less experience than the earlier contributors and much less skilful a rider too. I have ridden a 675R for a thousand miles on the road and it was much better at tightening the line mid bend than the 1199S in Sport mode, but it is much less potent a ride. I could wring the Triumph's neck easily, even with my lesser skills, than I can my Panigale. One of the features of the 1199 engine over the 1198 engine is the top end pull. Where the 1198 is endowed with early torque which will taper off at the top end, the newer engine design is the opposite. I gather that the enlarged version out now, the 1299, goes back to having early grunt but also keeps the top end too. I have not tried one and doubt I shall bother, since the 1199 is as much as my skills can cope with. The chassis seems a bit woodern until you look at your velocity, invariably well above what you think it is. At very high speeds, the bike is slightly flighty but at licence retaining ones it is rock solid. I think it is a bike you got to put effort and patience into learning to get it to do what you want.... I am still learning it after nearly 8000 miles. The comment about moving about on the bike is most salient, as I have found that even sticking your knee out into the inside of a bend makes the bike turn much more easily. I am 58 , a bit creaky but not particularly heavy ( 13 stoneish ) and don't have trouble from riding a full day. The tank is so small that you get off to fill up often enough to stretch out and top up on coffee before arthritis sets in. It is a bike one can love, have a love affair with. It is the foibles which make it so characterful, much like the best sort of persons in life to get attached to.
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Another nice bit of info, cheers.

I still dont know what to do ! ( keep 1098 or sell it ).

bradders · Jun 4, 2015

From what I'm told the 1299 is so much better than the 1199 in terms of rideability and stability. The small changes they have made have transferred into big improvement.

Not ridden either but trust the judgements of those who have

Dubs · Jun 4, 2015

bradders said: ↑

From what I'm told the 1299 is so much better than the 1199 in terms of rideability and stability. The small changes they have made have transferred into big improvement.

Not ridden either but trust the judgements of those who have
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yeah, reading same thing everywhere. But the difference in a 1299 & 1199 here is 23k new for base model and appx 15k for a used 1199. Still a lot of wonga.

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